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good evening ladies and gentlemen

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welcome to the program

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i am your host chris george zuger and my

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co-host big sexy alex

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good evening everyone how are you doing

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this wonderful friday evening it is the

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den of lore

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show

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and uh grab yourselves a glass of scotch

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pull your chair up to the fire because

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we're gonna learn some very cool [\h__\h]

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tonight courtesy of a man i've been

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trying to get on this show for six

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months uh mr and i'd say brother john

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michael greer and we're going to be

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talking about the lost keys of

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freemasonry today

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uh so we are very excited i have been

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over the moon over this book

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which

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you can find the links in the show notes

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uh and we're going to talk about that in

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a second i don't work you know i don't

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even think we're going to have an

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opening segment today i think we're just

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going to kick right into it because

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normally we start around 8 30 but we're

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starting a little bit late today

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uh

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but in the meantime check us out at den

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of lore on twitter or again you can talk

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and uh you know if there's any questions

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for john i will try and fit those in as

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best i can

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but most importantly let us introduce

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our poster guest with the mostest

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doesn't really rhyme but we'll try

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brother greeter how are you doing this

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uh this evening i'm i'm doing very well

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thank you

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it doesn't happen if the hostess with

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the most this would be probably the

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guest with the best the guess is with

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the bestest we'll go with that there we

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go something like that

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so

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again i'd like to thank you very much

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for joining us on the program i know

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that we've had uh you know some

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i'm not gonna say issues but you know

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whether it was a cold or you know your

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schedule was messed up my schedule was

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messed up we just couldn't get it

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connected i'm so glad that you were on

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the program tonight and very proud to

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have you on the den of lore and you're

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actually our first fellow freemason that

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we're interviewing okay so i'm uh very

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very very cool about that because the

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subject matter i'm pleased to be honest

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oh thank you very much let me just

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tune the music down a little bit for our

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now for the ladies and gentlemen that

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are listening at home uh just to be able

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to introduce our guest john michael

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greer is an american author independent

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scholar historian of ideas cultural

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critic he is a neo-druid leader

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hermeticist environmentalist concer

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conservationist blogger novelist and

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occultist esoterist who currently

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resides in cumberland maryland after

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living in ashland oregon for a number of

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years he was raised in a non-religious

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family and

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brother greer has uh graduated from

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western washington university in 1983

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and from the university of washington

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with a b.a in the comparative history of

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ideas

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uh he was uh

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sorry i do apologize he

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currently serves as the grand archdruid

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of the ancient order of druids in

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america a position he has held since

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2002 his first book paths of wisdom a

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study of the golden dawn system of

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kabbalah was published in 1996.

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brother grieger has since written edited

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and or translated many other books on

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numerous subjects and topics including

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multiple encyclopedias

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and again the rest of the introduction i

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could go on about this because this is

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the most fascinating uh introduction

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that i've done but all of it's in the

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show notes and brother grier without

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further ado i'd like to welcome you

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officially on to the program thank you

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very much for joining us once again uh

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how thank

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how has your evening been going

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um pretty calm pretty pretty calm all

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things considered

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uh the the world hasn't ended there

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south of the border

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no the blood curdling screams screeches

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howls um

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yelps and and um cries of agony have

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as far as i know they haven't slowed

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down much but no the world has not ended

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they're all cleverly muffled by the

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white house

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illuminati confirmed i think that's

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actually it's the aluminum bavariati the

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they're not as treacherous as those you

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know secret order of amway salesmen and

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them knives

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you want to be careful of those you know

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for all of you ladies and gentlemen at

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uh at home uh the reason that we have

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brother grier and i'm going to be

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mentioning him brother greer because i

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did mention that he is also a freemason

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and uh for me that's you know you gotta

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br you talk to a brother you call him

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brother so uh

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we have he has a new book out that uh

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was released december 8 2016. it's

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available in paperback as well as on

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kindle the link is in the show notes uh

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it is called the secrets of the temple

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earth energies sacred geometry and the

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lost keys of freemasonry and uh again

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get like you know the uh

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summer solstice is a couple months away

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but we've got the equinox coming up for

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either or fantastic gift for the for

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those occasions get five get ten for

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your friends uh get one for your dog you

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know it's

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tell us a little bit about the book

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okay basically

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quite a few years ago um in the course

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of my usual oddball reading into all

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kinds of strange corners of mythology

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and folklore and history and things like

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that i started noticing there's a lot of

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material relating to

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agricultural fertility

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customs and practices that make the

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crops grow better of course the usual

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the usual belief these days is that well

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that's all just primitive superstition

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and i've always been a little suspicious

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at that phrase primitive superstition

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because these quote primitive unquote

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people who are generally living very

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close to the to the natural world and

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who very often pay much closer attention

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to it than we do um presumably they know

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what they're talking about from time to

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in the process of just just following up

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one lead after another i notice that

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there's this entire strain of ideas that

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relates to a connection between

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crop fertility on the one hand and

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certain kinds of temples on the other

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and that just let me scratching my head

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i was going what

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and but so i sort of filed it kept it

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raised in mason i was noticing of course

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there's a lot of material in freemasonry

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that relates to king solomon's temple

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and if you go into the um into the

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talmud the jewish sacred writings um

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and into the sections of the talmud they

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talk about king solomon's temple there's

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a lot of material in there the the

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original the both the the jerusalem

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talmud and the babylonian talmud the two

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collections and commentaries

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have enormous amounts of material that

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here and there through all of this stuff

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there's all of these little comments and

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references to the fact that you know the

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temple and the temple services and all

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this kind of stuff that was going on at

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the temple something in there

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of the of the land of israel

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and again this was head scratching

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material for me but i kept on digging

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and i kept on digging and i kept on

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digging i discovered among other things

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that there are certain specific patterns

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structural elements materials that are

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used various customs and so on that are

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wherever you have this connection

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between um temple architecture and

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and i began to sit i began to do some

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serious poking around saying okay is

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there any way

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a structure suitably positioned suitably

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designed suitably placed could actually

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affect how crops grow and in fact there

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is in fact there are there are several

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known physical phenomena we're now i

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mean there's we could get into a long

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talk about the potential metaphysical

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dimension of this but

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but for the moment i want to talk about

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actual physical forces the kind of thing

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that scientists know about

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there are several such forces

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what i became what i began to see here

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have scraps just fragments

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of an ancient

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folk technology something that was

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they used certain known physical forces

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and unfamiliar ways to boost

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agricultural fertility and that these

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these practices these customs and this

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technology focused around certain kinds

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of temples of which the temple of

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solomon is a great example

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so that was the seed from which this

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entire book grew looking at the temple

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of solomon looking at the various

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traditions connected to it looking at

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the links to agricultural fertility and

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then noticing elements of freemasonry

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that tied into it in one way or the

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temple of king solomon was

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i've heard it from one of one of two

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things that it's either you know an

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actual physical building that was built

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around uh uh 1500 bc or so and then uh

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scottie roberts when we had him on the

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show last week and discussed it as an

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actual physical building i've heard

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other individuals who've discussed the

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uh the temple as more of a

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metaphorical temple that you know is

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built within freemasons based on

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uh you know based on the memory work and

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based on the fact that we're just trying

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to build something that is

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better within ourselves to be better for

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others you know outside

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so how have you been able to reconcile

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those two concepts within uh within this

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uh this work

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well one of the very common things

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you'll find with most ancient ways of

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thinking and it's something that modern

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people don't get easily is that

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in to the ancient mind it is almost

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never either or it's always both ant

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so that for example when the temple of

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solomon was built as a physical building

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of stone and cedar beams and things like

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that

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it was understood as a metaphoric stone

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it was understood as the physical

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expression of a symbol

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just as say the two pillars in a masonic

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temple they exist they're solid you can

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clunk you can tap on them but they also

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have symbolic meaning

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they also teach us things in the same

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way

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uh the temple of solomon built to build

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a built for the worship of the god of

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israel was a physical place

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you know we know we know where it was uh

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for approximately where on the temple

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mount the original one built and then

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the second temple that was built after

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the bowling in captivity

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and but it was also a focus for ideas it

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was it was a symbol it was a metaphor it

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was a huge emblem and a concatenation of

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emblems that people used at that time

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much the same way that freemasons do now

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and so if you if you remember that from

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the ancient perspective every physical

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object is a symbol

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every physical object is also a symbolic

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object

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then it stops being having to try to

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figure out which one it is because it's

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and

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with

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know um for a lot of the times when when

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people are dealing with the columns um

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like i i know the the columns can be

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represented as uh let's say the uh like

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the the pillars of enoch and i know that

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there are you know the pillars that are

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that stand outside that supposedly the

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supposedly stood outside or inside the

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temple of king solomon uh i've also

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heard references to how the pillars are

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represented as and if i'm not mistaken

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this is actually referred to in your

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book um as uh the pillars being

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represented of the two deacons uh within

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the masonic lodge uh as the uh the

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initial lines for a building were being

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laid out based on where the sun was

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actually rising on a certain day

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and i know that one of the biggest

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symbols that

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is supposed to be a secret or not really

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a secret but

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people haven't been able to figure out

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is the circle with the the dot in the

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center and the two lines on either side

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which you actually basically say no it

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was represented as you know the laying

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out of the initial laying out of the

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temple and it was the two deacons doing

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it

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symbols one of this this is really

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difficult for the modern line to grasp

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that a single the symbol does not have a

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single meaning a symbol has many

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meanings

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so the circle flanked by the two lines

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with the dot in the middle and tip um i

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don't i don't know whether you do this

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down here here down up your way down

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here there's a there's an open bible

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usually

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okay yeah um so basically but in the the

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original versions of it but the bible

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was a later edition the original version

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of it you've literally got a map of the

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movement the movement of the sun

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over the course of the year because

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remember the two vertical lines

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represent saint john the baptist and st

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john the evangelist

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that's that's something that's in

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no that's part of part of the tradition

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now one of the biggest things that i

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know that i hear in a masonic lodge are

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people who uh say okay well you know

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especially in the scottish rite we hear

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okay that you know saint john the

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baptist and saint john the evangelist

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and we don't necessarily unders some

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people don't necessarily understand why

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they're included in the symbolism

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besides the fact that they were very

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learned med and and you know

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uh

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so would you be able to explain the the

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uh significance of those two uh

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individuals

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oh yeah here again multiple multiple

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meanings originally now we're going back

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to the middle ages here um when

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masonry was an operative craft

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it was a get one guild among many guilds

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of course

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every every skilled craft had its own

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guild and every guild in the medieval

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world had its patron had one or two

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patron saints

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that were chosen by the masons guild

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were john the baptist and john the

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evangelist

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i used to know like who was the patron

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saint of shoemakers and so on they all

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had them so you have that but there's

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another level of meaning here too

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because

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saint john baptist day is the 24th of

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june

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and st john the evangelist today is the

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um what is it 20

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something from december it's right i

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think it's a little after christmas

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and so they'll symbolize the summer and

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winter solstices

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now if you

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next time you happen to be

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you have to spend an entire year getting

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up before dawn and looking out to the

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eastern horizon you'll notice that at

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different points in the in the year the

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sun rises at a different point on the

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eastern horizon

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moving north along the horizon from the

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winter solstice to the summer solstice

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and then back the other way

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um as the as the year as the year moves

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back toward the winter toward winter

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yeah that would be hard for me because i

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don't usually get a pass you know before

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seven o'clock that it's gonna be

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important

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i would be i would be much more like

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myself i'd be much more likely to watch

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the dawn before going to bed rather than

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after you know but

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um so at any rate you've got this this

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steady circular movement of the sun this

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is the kind of thing that um for example

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the folks who built stonehenge used to

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track the reason that you can you can

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use stonehenge to map the year precisely

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it's the sun's rising at different

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rising and setting of course at

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different points across salisbury plain

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so you stand there in the center and you

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look off over the hillstone and on the

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day of the summer solstice and no other

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day the sun comes right up over that

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stone

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but

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so in the process of

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laying laying out churches in the middle

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ages this is this is a you know

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something i get to later on in the book

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but it's an important thing

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people tend to think that churches are

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laid out facing the east and in the

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middle ages they were broadly speaking

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but east was kind of variable what

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happened was they were pointed toward

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the sunrise

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on the saints day of the saint to which

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the church was dedicated you know you've

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got a you've got a church of the virgin

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mary okay it's going to be um typically

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it will be done at the annunciation

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which is i think the 23rd of march

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something like that it's right around

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the spring equinox so on that day up

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comes the sun

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your master mason your two deacons are

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standing there with their poles they

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line up

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the central axis of the church on the

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sunrise

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mark it out with um with a spirit

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do you still use the spirit in canada as

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one of the masonic working tools okay

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it's a third degree

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yeah well there we go yeah okay it's

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been dropped by most of the american

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jurisdictions but there are a few of

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them still remember it yeah it's

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basically basically a rope and a peg

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and that was what they that was what

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they did they could they'd have cleared

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off the site beforehand cleared off all

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the shrubs and um grass and everything

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so they had a lot of big sheet of bare

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earth there so

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one um your two your two deacons stand

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one from one of the east one to the west

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they line up um

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southern mouse so the master is looking

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right across both their both their wands

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to the rising sun the spirit is strung

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out that becomes the center line of the

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of the church if your church is

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dedicated to john the baptist you're

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okay you're um drawing that initial line

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on st john baptist day if it is um a

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church of michael and all angels you

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don't know michael moss and so on and so

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forth

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and how does this relate to the overall

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temple tradition that's been seen around

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the world i know masonic lodges are

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built one way and i know that they're

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very similar to the way that temples

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were made like essentially it's supposed

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to be representation of king solomon's

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temple or a smaller version of it um but

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you know this is something isn't

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something that's been seen as far as the

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general themes of construction not like

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not just within western europe during

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the the medieval times but also like you

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know let's say in eastern religions

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isn't isn't that cool oh yeah

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oh yeah it varies from tradition to

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tradition um there's a lot there's a lot

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of flexibility and a lot of

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experimentation that has gone on over

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over thousands of years of course but

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generally speaking um yes your

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the temples that have this fertility

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tradition connected they're aligned to

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the to the sunrise um a hindu temple for

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example hindu mandirah is is laid out

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very carefully um facing

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facing the east

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and they have a they have a relatively

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they have relatively complex process the

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talk that's taught in the shiva shastras

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the hindu writings on how you lay out a

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temple properly where you're you know

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you you're tracking the using the

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movement of the sun

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um and some basic geometry and you lay

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this whole thing out so it's exactly

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four squared to the um to the four

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quarters of the heavens um in other

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traditions it again it varies um your

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ancient greek temples most of them faced

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the sunrise at some time some some

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relevant time of year typically the time

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of year when the major festival was

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being celebrated um

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some of them have other have other

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orientations i don't yet know i don't

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think i don't think anybody knows why

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exactly there are these other

559
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,679
orientations in some places there's a

560
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:21,840
lot of research still needs to be done

561
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:23,840
but that orientation seems to be part of

562
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,919
the toolkit part of what what makes the

563
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,679
whole thing work

564
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,360
and i know i know from from discussions

565
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,960
that i've had with uh

566
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,360
with randall carlson uh who believe it

567
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,280
or not a lot of the subjects that you

568
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:37,440
talk within this book uh kind of

569
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:39,600
coincide with you know on one part than

570
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:41,440
what he's discussed as far as the the

571
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:43,120
grail mythos and he's gone deep into it

572
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:44,720
if you check out uh

573
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:46,240
i check out his site i'm not sure if if

574
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:49,520
you've ever met randall um but he talks

575
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:52,799
a lot about the the grail mythos and how

576
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,280
the uh cathedrals in

577
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:57,679
uh in europe uh were basically made

578
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,400
around the idea that uh you know

579
00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:02,320
essentially the buildings themselves

580
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,840
were meant to kind of replenish and

581
00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:06,559
uh

582
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,400
just give sustained growth towards

583
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,559
agriculture within the surrounding area

584
00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:13,280
to that uh you know to to that where

585
00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:16,240
that thing where that temple is built uh

586
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:18,160
yeah so well that's that's exactly the

587
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:19,440
case though i was trying to make i i

588
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:22,000
will i have not i have not met or met

589
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,360
him or read his books and obviously i'm

590
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,799
going to follow up on that

591
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,640
uh yeah like honestly like sacred

592
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:28,400
geometry international it's it's a long

593
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:32,240
url uh or web address like you know i i

594
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,919
gotta link you get two guys up because i

595
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,520
think you you two be able to i think i

596
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,200
think you do sacred geometry is it it

597
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:38,799
has been a major interest of mine since

598
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:40,400
the early 1990s

599
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,679
so yeah i think i think we're going to

600
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,000
be talking he's a brother as well

601
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:46,799
oh excellent okay cool so

602
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,600
like

603
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:49,360
he doesn't necessarily go too too deep

604
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,240
into

605
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,240
um your side of it for him it's it's a

606
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,159
slightly different direction but

607
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:55,919
you know combined it's it makes kind of

608
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,880
a full story around this subject and

609
00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,559
that's that's really fascinating oh i

610
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,520
know it's

611
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:03,520
and the thing is here again that sort of

612
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:06,960
that ancient not either or both and

613
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,120
is very important here one

614
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:10,799
very often these days i've seen this

615
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,280
happen in a lot of alternative

616
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,799
alternative science alternative history

617
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:16,880
and so on people get stuck on well was

618
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,720
it this or was it that well very often

619
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:20,000
it was both

620
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,080
and then several other things as well

621
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:23,600
um you know

622
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,320
is freemasonry descended from um you

623
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,760
know medieval building guilds or is it

624
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,960
descended from the knights templar well

625
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,760
both as far as i can tell

626
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,159
which i find

627
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,919
very fascinating especially considering

628
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:38,159
that with a lot of the builders and i

629
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,200
know that you touched on this with your

630
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:40,720
book and i'd love to be able to to get

631
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,919
your take on it um where you know there

632
00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:45,440
may have been different uh different

633
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,600
ways that um

634
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,880
essentially like how they laid out the

635
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,880
initial structures of the buildings the

636
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,240
foundations that they were like kind of

637
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,919
one or two different systems that

638
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:55,760
sometimes they didn't coincide

639
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:56,640
um

640
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,960
so yeah there's a story about that

641
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:00,720
sometimes things just emerge as opposed

642
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:03,679
to are created right so let's let's get

643
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,559
your take on on the uh the grail the the

644
00:22:10,710 --> 00:22:08,880
the grail history and that mythos as far

645
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,720
as recovering the grail and let's move

646
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,200
on to how that kind of fits into the uh

647
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,200
different systems because like that that

648
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,840
is you know very very fascinating even

649
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:19,440
for me

650
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,200
okay so let's start let's start with the

651
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,240
grail um i and i think it's important to

652
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:26,400
start with in its historical context we

653
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,520
have um christine de trois the the

654
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,600
author of the first known grail story

655
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,320
who was a close associate of um

656
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,480
of very important crusading nights and

657
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,000
things like that he had

658
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,600
you know um

659
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:41,919
he had connections in the in the with

660
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,400
the knights templar he had just he was

661
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,559
in the middle of that whole milieu and

662
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,760
all of a sudden he comes out with this

663
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:48,960
story

664
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,679
and it is not um

665
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,080
he no he claims

666
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,320
he claims that he got it from his patron

667
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,640
i'm actually flipping through the um

668
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,480
through the book here to remind myself

669
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,799
of the relevant available on amazon

670
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,559
available on amazon that's true

671
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,240
um

672
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:08,640
there we go so

673
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:15,990
yeah so um

674
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,559
oh come on okay

675
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,960
i'm not gonna go digging since so but he

676
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,640
had a patriot he had a he had a noble

677
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,120
patron who was a very famous crusader

678
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,240
and um christian said that he got the

679
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,840
story of the grail from a book this guy

680
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,120
lent him

681
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,039
and he wrote out well he he this was

682
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,559
this was his last arthurian he'd written

683
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:36,159
a whole series of arthurian stories at

684
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,080
that point this was the last one and he

685
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:39,840
died before he finished it

686
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:42,799
but it was the the 12th century

687
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,360
equivalent of a raging bestseller

688
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:47,200
and all kinds of other people jumped on

689
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:48,640
the same story

690
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,600
and

691
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,600
very competing versions started the

692
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,120
surface

693
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,799
and

694
00:24:05,350 --> 00:23:55,919
the

695
00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:05,360
skewed toward um orthodox religious

696
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,280
viewpoints some of them fairly obviously

697
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:09,200
screwed for rather unorthodox religious

698
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,400
viewpoints

699
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,159
and all of them focusing on the idea

700
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,320
that there was this mysterious something

701
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,799
called the grail maybe it was a cup

702
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,400
maybe it was a stone

703
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,840
maybe it had something to do with jesus

704
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,240
maybe it didn't um again these are among

705
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,600
the things that were being battered back

706
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,679
and forth but the thing that it would do

707
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,480
if you found the grail if you if you

708
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,960
if you reached the grail castle

709
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:32,480
and there would be a ceremony

710
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:34,640
in perfect silence and if at that time

711
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,269
or

712
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:41,120
whom does the grail serve

713
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,919
or

714
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:43,120
um you know

715
00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:44,720
fisher king what's wrong with you what

716
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,159
hail was you they're various versions of

717
00:24:50,390 --> 00:24:47,679
the question but you have to ask a

718
00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,400
question if you ask the question the

719
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,240
terrible wasteland which has been

720
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,320
devastated for an age and an age all of

721
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,640
a sudden comes back to life and health

722
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,799
the the trees the trees put out leaves

723
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:01,279
crops grow everything's wonderful again

724
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:02,559
if you don't

725
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,159
you know they take you to a bed chamber

726
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,360
and then you wake up in the morning and

727
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,279
the castle is empty and apparently

728
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,960
abandoned and you have to start the

729
00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,039
quest

730
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:15,520
now it's a marvelous literary gimmick

731
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,880
but

732
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,640
there's also i mean the people in the

733
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,919
middle ages were not stupid and they

734
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,840
were not they they didn't just come up

735
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,600
with stuff like that again they had that

736
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,679
very strong sense that material things

737
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:26,799
are symbols

738
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:32,480
what's being said by the grail story is

739
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:35,120
there's a question you need to ask and

740
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,880
you're not asking it

741
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,799
this question is

742
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,720
what are these what does this mean

743
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:42,880
what do these things mean

744
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:45,679
what's going on here

745
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,039
and to a very important extent

746
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,440
we need to do that as freemasons

747
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,400
with the traditions of our order

748
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:56,400
because there's a lot of stuff that we

749
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,840
do

750
00:26:02,230 --> 00:25:59,840
that nobody knows why

751
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,240
or that we have typically ethical

752
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,200
reasons for doing it okay you know

753
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,640
your typical your typical masonic

754
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:08,880
lecturers give give ethical moral

755
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,159
precepts for this symbol and that symbol

756
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,919
and the other symbol and those are great

757
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,600
those are important

758
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,919
we can use those to to guide our lives

759
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,480
and to to to help help ourselves help

760
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,720
mature into

761
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,720
more productive more compassionate more

762
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,720
effective human beings

763
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:28,799
but again it's not either or it's both

764
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,200
end what else might those mean

765
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,880
a lot of us don't ask that and a lot of

766
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,320
them need to

767
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,960
back at the time my guess is that the

768
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,640
what christian was saying what the other

769
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:40,720
grail writers were saying was you need

770
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:42,720
to be asking this about your religion

771
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,880
there are all of these curious customs

772
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:46,960
that we've inherited from the past what

773
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,630
what does this ritual mean what does

774
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,720
this church structure what does this

775
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,960
architectural practice mean what is it

776
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:59,360
there for what does it do

777
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,400
and

778
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,640
there again the grail tradition is very

779
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:04,480
explicit over and over again there is a

780
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,240
secret lore connected to the grail

781
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,440
and

782
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,679
if you follow it if you if you do what

783
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:13,200
you have to do you ask the right

784
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,200
question though the wasteland blossoms

785
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,159
for agricultural fertility once again

786
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,600
and i know that there were there were

787
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,440
many different versions and this was

788
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,200
during the age of the troubadours as

789
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:26,799
they were kind of marching across europe

790
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:29,120
and spreading uh spreading lore and you

791
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,480
know kind of the same ideas we're doing

792
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:32,640
right now in a podcast so the podcasters

793
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,120
of their time and considering the amount

794
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:37,360
of uh you know potential

795
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,559
uh

796
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,159
you know it wasn't necessarily a free

797
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,760
thinking time or

798
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,520
you couldn't go out and say well this is

799
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:45,039
what i believe and these are the ideas i

800
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,480
have without you know kind of running

801
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,159
into trouble with let's say the church

802
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:50,640
or local authorities or what have you

803
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,000
uh so a lot of the times they use

804
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:54,880
symbolism and exactly and for a lot of

805
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,600
the symbolism itself it was uh you know

806
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,520
like there whether it was king arthur or

807
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,440
whether it was a different king or you

808
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,960
know sometimes king arthur was going out

809
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,360
or maybe it was uh his uh second uh was

810
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,679
it galahad or lancelot

811
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,520
yeah that's what was going on

812
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:11,360
one night yeah and you know like let's

813
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,799
say the king died and you know the

814
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,039
grails brought back and you know it the

815
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:17,600
the king all of a sudden uh was able to

816
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,320
uh revive himself from that and the idea

817
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,840
was that was supposed to be metaphor to

818
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:23,679
the land itself kind of you know being

819
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,720
revived

820
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,279
uh yeah exactly exactly

821
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:30,000
and and since the grail stories came out

822
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,600
it's really interesting because when you

823
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,720
look at

824
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,720
um central and southern france at this

825
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,039
time right of this period you have the

826
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,200
grail stories are starting to take shape

827
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:41,919
become going public you have

828
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,120
the the cathars the great albergenzi and

829
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,520
heresy um rising up to challenge the

830
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:49,360
rule of the catholic church

831
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,799
right at the same time you have the

832
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,720
first historical appearance of the

833
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,399
kabbalah

834
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,080
which was um

835
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,159
it was

836
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,080
like the blind and his circle of

837
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,559
students first to you know first

838
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:04,000
put together

839
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,360
what you know the if you will the first

840
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,720
draft of what we now know as the

841
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,320
kabbalah so all of this stuff was

842
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,679
bubbling together there was alchemy

843
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,600
going on there was all kinds of esoteric

844
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:14,080
stuff in process in this place and in

845
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,440
this time

846
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,960
and

847
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,279
the the reaction was already building

848
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,200
the the you know the

849
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,880
turn toward

850
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,720
repression that

851
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,640
resulted in the albigensian crusade the

852
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,120
creation of the inquisition and various

853
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,360
other unpleasant events of the same kind

854
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,760
that was just starting to pick up as the

855
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,120
grail legend

856
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,039
burst out into the european imagination

857
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,120
and spread all over europe

858
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,960
and how does this relate to the knights

859
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,159
of the temple

860
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,440
and okay

861
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,039
yeah the then the temp the templars were

862
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:47,279
in the we're in the thick of it

863
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,600
um now the knights of the temple of

864
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,720
course

865
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,919
there's there's all kinds of

866
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,080
complexities and uncertainties

867
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:56,880
surrounding them um

868
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,960
we we've all heard the the official

869
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,799
account that you know these nine nine

870
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,880
french knights in jerusalem would have

871
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,960
been part of the first crusade bound

872
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:06,399
themselves together as a monastic

873
00:30:09,029 --> 00:30:07,840
brotherhood to protect pilgrims on the

874
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,039
roads

875
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,919
leading from the seacoast to jerusalem

876
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,000
how nine nights we're going to do this

877
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:17,039
is a very interesting question

878
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,360
and but they were they were immediately

879
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,110
given given a place to um

880
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,360
be given rooms in the in the palace i

881
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,679
believe it was the kings of jerusalem

882
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,760
and um

883
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,760
what we know about their activities

884
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:35,200
suggests and there's archaeological

885
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,880
evidence for this in fact that they did

886
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:38,480
a lot of digging underneath the temple

887
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,520
mount

888
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,200
there's actually a tunnel that israeli

889
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,120
archaeologists found and i think was in

890
00:30:49,029 --> 00:30:46,480
1968 that leads from just outside the

891
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,039
temple mount deep up inside it right

892
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,600
toward where the where archaeologists

893
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,120
think the holy of holies of the original

894
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,559
temple used to be

895
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,279
now nobody knows what's on the far side

896
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,760
of that tunnel because with the the

897
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:01,600
whole religious and ethnic struggle over

898
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,159
jerusalem these days the temple mount is

899
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,640
muslim sacred space you can't you know

900
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,760
and then the

901
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,840
the council of

902
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,080
muslim officials who who have control of

903
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,159
those will not allow any archaeological

904
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:16,080
work inside the temple mount

905
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:18,000
so there's no way nobody knows where the

906
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:19,279
where the where this tunnel actually

907
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,799
leads but it's there it's been

908
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,159
discovered

909
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,000
and there the the things that they found

910
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,240
in the sort of the tool marks and the

911
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,480
kind the kind of wreckage and stuff made

912
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,080
it very clear that the people who who

913
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,230
were

914
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,840
in the period of the crusader states

915
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:37,120
during which time the temple mount

916
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,399
during almost all of which time the

917
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:40,320
temple mount was was knight templar

918
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:41,600
territory

919
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,159
and that being that long ago

920
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:46,320
you know i know some of our listeners

921
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:47,279
especially in the the younger

922
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,640
demographic me

923
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,320
uh you know they'll think okay well you

924
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,399
know the the knights templar and and uh

925
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,720
they'll go on to the dan brown uh you

926
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,320
know the dan brown

927
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,559
rabbit hole as it were and okay well you

928
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,000
know like the holy grail being the

929
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:02,159
sangria and and it's you know the blood

930
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,360
of jesus christ and we've got the mary

931
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,799
magdalene thing and

932
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,399
i i don't necessarily

933
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:07,840
i know

934
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,760
like dan brown is like he's he's he's

935
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,919
the mcdonald's of authors you know i'm

936
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,240
not i'm not disrespecting him in any way

937
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,480
but his books are he or i should say

938
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,799
he's the james cameron of of of authors

939
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,640
where that particular book was

940
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,720
equivalent of like avatar where it's

941
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,720
like you know you know it's very similar

942
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:25,919
to other stories and it's just good

943
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,080
enough you're gonna let you're going to

944
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,399
uh you know enjoy it but it's not really

945
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,840
it's not really going to give you much

946
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,919
in terms of deep thought it's just going

947
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,840
to be entertaining and throwing enough

948
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,760
ideas out of you

949
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:39,440
there's there's another little problem

950
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,840
there

951
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,120
um you know that he got most of his

952
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,480
ideas from um the book holy blood holy

953
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,480
grail yes

954
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,159
which i have which i have i believe i've

955
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,640
read it i'm i'm i'm delighted to hear

956
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,919
this um

957
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,360
holy blood holy grail is kind of a

958
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,000
fascinating story because um what what

959
00:33:02,710 --> 00:33:00,480
happened there

960
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,720
there was a there was a frenchman named

961
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:05,039
pierre plundered

962
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,360
and he was he was kind of a minor player

963
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,559
in the french occult scene um during and

964
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,320
after the second world war

965
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,480
and i don't know if you've dealt with

966
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,159
old-fashioned occult orders but it used

967
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,320
to be very common for them to come up

968
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,120
with really colorful lineages which they

969
00:33:24,549 --> 00:33:22,960
invented typically out of whole cloth

970
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,559
and you have these long lists of

971
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,559
grandmasters going back to some

972
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,000
something probably just some time in the

973
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,480
past and you'd have these grandiose

974
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,080
claims about all this important stuff

975
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,760
that they did when you're talking about

976
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,360
an organization that has maybe you know

977
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,519
three dozen members and has to pass the

978
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,440
hat to pay rent for its you know it's

979
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,720
monthly meetings

980
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,320
um that that was standard back in the

981
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:44,640
day you could find it among among some

982
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:45,760
of the occult orders that are still

983
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,279
around the traditional cold orders still

984
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,039
running around although i'm i'm glad to

985
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,480
say a certain number of them have

986
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,480
started backing out and think come on

987
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,720
the illustrious panhandlers

988
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,480
yeah yeah exactly

989
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:57,519
um

990
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:01,279
and but peter pantard was really good

991
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:02,080
at

992
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,159
invented in the 1950s

993
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,159
and backdated it to the dawn of time

994
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,760
back to the mayor of indian kings of

995
00:34:21,829 --> 00:34:18,560
france and he also did something that i

996
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:21,839
think is unique in the history of

997
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,359
occult historical forgery

998
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,960
if you go into

999
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,720
the sort of really

1000
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:31,119
high quality

1001
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,760
top-end libraries in france where they

1002
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:35,919
have all kinds of age documents okay

1003
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,000
they take incredible care to make sure

1004
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:39,760
you don't take anything out

1005
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,839
but until recently they didn't take they

1006
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:43,040
weren't sufficiently careful about

1007
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,720
whether you brought anything in oh

1008
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,440
and so a whole range of

1009
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,599
nicely forged documents

1010
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,839
were cooked up and then planted one of

1011
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,760
his friends walked them into places like

1012
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,680
the bibliotheque nationale and so on and

1013
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,320
slipped them into um

1014
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,640
you know collections of documents

1015
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,560
and then found them you understand oh

1016
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:06,400
look at this did you know did you know

1017
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,760
this was in here and there it is you

1018
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:08,640
know

1019
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,680
it was great now the organization that

1020
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,240
um pierre plantard invented is that he

1021
00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:16,560
founded in the 1950s that had you know

1022
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,839
maybe a dozen members what's the

1023
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:19,520
priority of zion

1024
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,800
oh boy

1025
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:22,800
that was the priority of zion he

1026
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,079
invented it

1027
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,240
and that whole lineage going back to the

1028
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,320
meadow of indian kings of france he

1029
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,640
cooked that up the same way that you

1030
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,560
know wiccans like to invent third-degree

1031
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:35,040
grandmothers going back to you know the

1032
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:35,760
the

1033
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,040
um

1034
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,720
and now the the whole business about

1035
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:42,839
this being descended from

1036
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,760
from you know a child of mary of jesus

1037
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,680
by mary magdalene that was not something

1038
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:49,119
plantar was into he was a devout

1039
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:50,400
catholic but

1040
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,200
um

1041
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:53,200
the three the three english filmmakers

1042
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,160
who

1043
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,240
ran across plantar's claims went wow

1044
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:58,720
this would make a great documentary and

1045
00:36:02,950 --> 00:36:00,960
proceeded to make documentaries in the

1046
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,960
book holy blood holy grail out of it one

1047
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,400
of them i forget which one of the three

1048
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,480
was very into the whole

1049
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:08,400
jesus and mary magdalene routine because

1050
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,359
that of course that had been being

1051
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,359
batted around for some time and so

1052
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,440
managed to insert that into it to plant

1053
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:15,040
hearts great um

1054
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,640
discomfiture by the way

1055
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,240
and so yeah that's where this whole

1056
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,640
business came from it has nothing to do

1057
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:22,960
with actual history it's it is a really

1058
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,880
good example of why

1059
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,720
whenever you do excuse me whenever

1060
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:28,320
you're dealing with something from the

1061
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,320
occult community you want to check the

1062
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,839
footnotes

1063
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,280
and you know especially when you're

1064
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,880
dealing with documents

1065
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:37,040
that have been forged i scottie roberts

1066
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,839
mentioned last week that

1067
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,280
during it and i forget exactly what i

1068
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:42,800
forget the date exactly but i know that

1069
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,599
it was either sometime around uh well

1070
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,040
like before the the library of

1071
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,800
alexandria burned up

1072
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:51,040
that you know these rabbis apparently

1073
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,800
had gone into the temple and said well

1074
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,599
hey you know like we we can uh you know

1075
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,920
these these documents were lost or or

1076
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,760
you know we can go in and

1077
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,520
essentially um

1078
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:03,599
you know complete this information for

1079
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:04,400
you

1080
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,960
and kind of that same idea where they're

1081
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,640
you know it's a possibility that certain

1082
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,400
information was brought into that into

1083
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,000
the library at that point that may have

1084
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,079
been perpetuated later on that may have

1085
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:16,160
been concocted by you know like like 14

1086
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:19,119
14 individuals 2 000 years ago and who

1087
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:20,079
knows

1088
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:21,760
what was copied or what was kept going

1089
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:22,880
so yeah

1090
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,119
exactly there's there's the there's the

1091
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,680
um the same there's a similar story in

1092
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:29,200
the latter part of the old testament

1093
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,760
where i forget which king of judah um

1094
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:33,680
his several of his priests discovered

1095
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,480
this this lost document that was you

1096
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,320
know teaching the

1097
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,599
you know they they

1098
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,520
for all purposes they cooked it up it

1099
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,200
was a reformation of religion and they

1100
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,960
they of course did the usual thing and

1101
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:46,480
slaughtered everybody who disagreed with

1102
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,640
their religious ideas

1103
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,079
but yeah as they're often as people are

1104
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,400
off to do apparently as people as people

1105
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:53,920
would generally like to do it's one of

1106
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,560
those things but so yeah you

1107
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,040
the the invention inventing documents

1108
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,960
and back dating them to the dawn of time

1109
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,359
if not before is a is a grand old

1110
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,440
practice and you always need to be on

1111
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,520
you have your eyes open about it

1112
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:09,520
um and that's you know that's true with

1113
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,640
um

1114
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,920
especially with the kind of thing that

1115
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,359
i'm researching in my book as well you

1116
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,200
know you don't you can't just take these

1117
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,280
things at face value you have to look

1118
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,440
at a wide range of sources preferably

1119
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,079
from from a range of cultures

1120
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,680
and go okay so what pat what is the

1121
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:27,040
pattern that connects what is the

1122
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:29,280
pattern that makes sense of all of this

1123
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,480
um

1124
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,359
and see this is good well that's kind of

1125
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,040
my idea because you're you're dealing

1126
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,359
with uh you know let's say

1127
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,720
people who have been digging into

1128
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:40,800
temples or are bringing in bringing in

1129
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,280
information into uh other uh troves of

1130
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,040
knowledge where they're they're you know

1131
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:48,079
guarding it profusely but at the same

1132
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,760
time a lot of the

1133
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,839
knowledge that's been passed down

1134
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,680
um you know from thousands of years

1135
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,520
through just careful observation and

1136
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,880
trial and error

1137
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,000
is what

1138
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,240
is through word of mouth um like you

1139
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,400
know if somebody says okay well what i

1140
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,000
just you know i as we were talking

1141
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,640
before we went on air that uh i was uh

1142
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:09,040
in a uh you know i had a car crash uh

1143
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,320
this week

1144
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:12,079
my car was completely written off and i

1145
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,359
went out and said instead of doing the

1146
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,520
research and going online because i know

1147
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:17,680
that people can go online and say okay

1148
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,720
well oh this dealership is very good and

1149
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:22,400
anybody can write that that information

1150
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,359
down

1151
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,880
but i went to other individuals who have

1152
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,640
had experiences with with dealerships

1153
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,400
and tenants said okay who is good who's

1154
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,920
not where should i go what what are the

1155
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,359
pitfalls that i'm looking at and that

1156
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,359
word of mouth was then given to me uh

1157
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,880
you know orally transmitted to me and i

1158
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,800
used that information to

1159
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,800
essentially you know navigate the waters

1160
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,400
as best as possible through their trial

1161
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,240
and error and that accumulated knowledge

1162
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,560
to to help get myself a car

1163
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,240
so

1164
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,880
going back to what information were

1165
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,920
these individuals could have been

1166
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,920
looking for um

1167
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,079
you know you know there is a

1168
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:57,040
and the idea that cathedrals have

1169
00:40:01,109 --> 00:40:00,000
uh you know been used potentially

1170
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:01,119
uh to

1171
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:02,240
help

1172
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,520
increase the fertility of the

1173
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:04,880
surrounding land

1174
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,280
what kind like what what is the the

1175
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,720
process that and what is the knowledge

1176
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,640
that they've been bringing forward from

1177
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,800
you know time immemorial to now to

1178
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,359
to kind of to do that

1179
00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,599
and yeah and the thing is the thing you

1180
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:18,960
have to remember is that they didn't

1181
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,119
necessarily know what was causing it all

1182
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:22,880
they had to know was how to make the

1183
00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:25,520
effect happen i've hypothesized in my

1184
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,359
book that it may have been one of two

1185
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,280
phenomena or possibly both

1186
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,760
um on the one hand it's been shown that

1187
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:33,280
weak electric currents of the sort that

1188
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,640
flow through the earth generally there's

1189
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,079
it's teloric electricity it's a known

1190
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,079
phenomenon can be concentrated in

1191
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,000
certain geologic by certain geological

1192
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,680
formations it can be directed through

1193
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:44,240
the soil and it causes improved plant

1194
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,040
growth

1195
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,720
i'm not sure why but there were back

1196
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,240
before chemical fertilizer became all

1197
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,760
the rage back in the early 20th century

1198
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,680
there was a whole bunch of research done

1199
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,760
controlled double blind studies on what

1200
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,520
was then called electroculture where

1201
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:56,880
they you know you literally have a

1202
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,319
garden patch and you have a weak

1203
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,319
electric current flowing through it and

1204
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:02,240
the plants would have like a 40 better

1205
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,550
um

1206
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,359
i'm sorry yeah go ahead on on one layer

1207
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,280
you know you've got the you're mapping

1208
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,040
out the beginning foundations of the

1209
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,800
temple and you're using you're looking

1210
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,680
for patterns in time and the seasons

1211
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,880
that's very important for when you're

1212
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:20,880
planting crops

1213
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,880
that's pretty blatantly obvious and then

1214
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,520
you get into more subtle layers where

1215
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:27,200
you know the idea of these these temples

1216
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,240
are placed on top of uh

1217
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:31,920
caverns of waters and things like that

1218
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:34,319
like there's aquifers under the pyramids

1219
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,280
and

1220
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,960
don't even get into the other

1221
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,800
electricity thing for the pyramids oh my

1222
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,960
goodness there's so many so many like oh

1223
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,680
man

1224
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,599
oh okay i can't even get into that yeah

1225
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,200
there's all kinds of stuff going on so

1226
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,440
yeah you have on the one hand um the

1227
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,920
temple serves as a timing mechanism most

1228
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,800
temples are oriented so that and set up

1229
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,240
so that you can tell the season that you

1230
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,000
remember this is this is before printed

1231
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,680
calendars were common

1232
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:59,200
um there were no

1233
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,400
batteries

1234
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:03,599
yeah exactly yeah so in fact

1235
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,800
many many many cathedrals to this day

1236
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,560
have typically you'll have you'll have

1237
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,599
you know somewhere up in the stained

1238
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:12,160
glass window on the eastern end

1239
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:13,920
or on a window in the southern end you

1240
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:16,079
will have a little square of pure white

1241
00:42:19,349 --> 00:42:18,000
glass as opposed to all the colored

1242
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,359
stuff in stained glass and stuff and

1243
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,440
that will send a single beam of light

1244
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,119
down onto the floor

1245
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,240
of the church and the ark that it traces

1246
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,160
will pass certain little marks which

1247
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,560
will tell you the year or the the day of

1248
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,960
the day of the year the day and month

1249
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,960
so it'll move from you know this arc in

1250
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,200
the winter to this arc in the summer

1251
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,720
and back in the day that was how you

1252
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,079
timed your planting

1253
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:42,000
of course so you have that effect

1254
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:43,680
you have the possibility that water was

1255
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,400
involved

1256
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:45,839
and you have this possibility that

1257
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:48,000
electro that to learn electricity

1258
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,440
because that will also be shaped by um

1259
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,680
by geological locations and things like

1260
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:55,760
that and you know when you're talking

1261
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:58,000
about something like a

1262
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,280
something like the temple of solomon

1263
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,520
which is made of stone and coated with

1264
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,359
gold it's basically a huge storage

1265
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,480
battery

1266
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,560
and then you also have the possibility

1267
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,880
that they're doing something with

1268
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,319
a very peculiar end of the

1269
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:12,480
electromagnetic spectrum this is

1270
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,920
something that dr philip callahan who's

1271
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,760
an entomologist has researched research

1272
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,319
successfully very very extensively

1273
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,800
moths and a lot of other night flying

1274
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,640
insects communicate with one another on

1275
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,480
this

1276
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:26,079
the part of the electromagnetic spectrum

1277
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,319
where microwaves overlap with infrared

1278
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,640
and at that level

1279
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,359
um a lot of organic compounds naturally

1280
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:37,200
fluoresce at those of those wavelengths

1281
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:38,400
also

1282
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,920
that function as antennae in that

1283
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,440
wavelength so there's in those

1284
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:47,040
wavelengths so you've got this entire

1285
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,079
network

1286
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:50,240
of communication going on in the natural

1287
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,000
world

1288
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,079
then you take a big solid structure

1289
00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:56,000
somewhere and you fill it with volatile

1290
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,680
aromatic substances we call this burning

1291
00:44:02,150 --> 00:43:59,680
lots of incense

1292
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,160
and you use certain patterns of sound

1293
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,280
waves which will cause the volatile

1294
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,040
aromatics to fluoresce in these

1295
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:09,359
wavelengths and what's that what's that

1296
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:12,160
going to do to the insect populations

1297
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,359
what is it going to do with for

1298
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,880
pollinators what is it going to do for

1299
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,960
pests nobody knows

1300
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,480
but is it possible that's one of the

1301
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,240
things that was going on here i i'm

1302
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,400
suggesting it as an option

1303
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:24,480
it's one of one of the one of the

1304
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,760
crucial things that i want to stress

1305
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:27,280
about this book the secret of the temple

1306
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,880
is that it is a first reconnaissance of

1307
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,640
unknown territory i have

1308
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,800
far more questions than answers

1309
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:34,000
and

1310
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,800
the book

1311
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,640
basically ends with a plea for other

1312
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,560
people who are interested to do their

1313
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,880
own research to get out there look into

1314
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,880
the situation and say okay does this

1315
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,280
make sense and what about this tradition

1316
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,040
and what about that tradition i've

1317
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,560
already been in contact with with a

1318
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,440
hindu guy from india who is who has a

1319
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:53,040
bunch of infrared very similar

1320
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,240
information about some very similar

1321
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,880
traditions in india

1322
00:45:03,030 --> 00:44:58,720
we were just talking about the subject

1323
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,040
of moths yesterday and um in a couple

1324
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,960
episodes ago we were talking about the

1325
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,040
the third symbolism of the bees and the

1326
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,720
flora and the vatican

1327
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,119
and uh we also mentioned uh victor

1328
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,520
grebenikov who studied he was the

1329
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,520
entomologist who studied the scarab

1330
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,839
beetles and they had this microstructure

1331
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,200
on the back of the egyptian scarab

1332
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,160
beetles that caused

1333
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,920
presumably helps with the it's like sort

1334
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:26,240
of an electrostatic levitation effect

1335
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,280
like it's it's like a little

1336
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,200
electrogravitics through like natural

1337
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,119
form and they look at the underside of

1338
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,520
the scarab husks with like a thousand

1339
00:45:36,630 --> 00:45:34,400
times

1340
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,640
strong

1341
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:39,359
magnification um

1342
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,079
and

1343
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,640
there's these little uh

1344
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,720
it's like a cross tear

1345
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,480
triangular structures with like these

1346
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:48,480
little hairs coming off of them

1347
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:51,920
which they say is is part of the uh

1348
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,720
correlated electromagnetics of the

1349
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,240
subatomic

1350
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:59,520
like yeah i'm choking on my words here

1351
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,560
it's a

1352
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,880
weird material science but uh as it

1353
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,520
relates to bugs

1354
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,400
and

1355
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:08,400
one of one of the things that we're

1356
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,200
that

1357
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,040
human beings are very very slowly

1358
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,839
figuring out is we don't

1359
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,640
have

1360
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:16,800
well our senses our particular set of

1361
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:21,520
senses sight hearing um touch and so on

1362
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,359
those touch on only a tiny tiny fraction

1363
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,240
of the total amount of information flow

1364
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,680
in the universe or even in the world

1365
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,760
around us right now um

1366
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,280
we you know natural selection has

1367
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:35,599
equipped us to um pay attention to the

1368
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,839
things that were useful for social

1369
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,839
primates in east africa

1370
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,280
back when we back when our ancestors

1371
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,040
were social primates in east africa and

1372
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,800
that's all

1373
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,880
and so there's these

1374
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:48,880
these were these whole worlds of

1375
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,400
complexity and knowledge and

1376
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:53,119
communication that we have no access to

1377
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:54,560
because we don't happen to have say

1378
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:56,079
antenna

1379
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,280
you know we don't we we're not like

1380
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,040
moths we don't have antenna with with

1381
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,200
all the little spikes that pick up on

1382
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,119
uh electromagnetic radiation in the in

1383
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,960
the microwave spectrum

1384
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,480
you know we we pick up everything in

1385
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,400
visual in the visible light spectrum

1386
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,640
this very narrow range

1387
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,880
there's a group of scientists who just

1388
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:14,800
discovered this whole uh

1389
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:16,880
it's like an ultraviolet uh underwater

1390
00:47:22,950 --> 00:47:20,400
phenomenon with markings on fish

1391
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,950
bees can see the ultraviolet spectrum so

1392
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:26,240
when they look at a flower they see a

1393
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,599
completely different pattern in the

1394
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:30,240
petals than we do and yeah in fact they

1395
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,240
found they found the bees see two

1396
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,880
different ultraviolet colors beyond so

1397
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:36,960
there's there's there's b blue and b

1398
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,599
violet which are further up the spectrum

1399
00:47:42,550 --> 00:47:41,359
than ours and they differentiate between

1400
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,560
the two and they can they can see that's

1401
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,760
one that's the other you can train them

1402
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,520
to go for one to go for the other

1403
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,599
so there's a bunch of scientists in the

1404
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:49,920
in the naval world that are shining

1405
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:51,119
ultra

1406
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,880
bright blue lights under the water

1407
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:56,720
in like coral reefs and looking at the

1408
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,359
there's a whole other pattern of

1409
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,200
visual patterns that show up that are

1410
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,880
easily seen on the bodies of fish and

1411
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,640
things that you would only see under

1412
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,520
very strong ultraviolet lights

1413
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:09,760
totally fascinating

1414
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:11,839
knowing that plants can uh pick up on

1415
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,880
the same the same wavelength or a very

1416
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:16,079
very similar wave like well

1417
00:48:20,550 --> 00:48:17,599
photosynthesis is essentially done

1418
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,560
through uh through light so if these

1419
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:22,960
buildings uh you know and and temples if

1420
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:25,440
they're constructed in a certain way and

1421
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,880
let's say or you know

1422
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:28,559
we could talk about orientation in a

1423
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:29,440
moment

1424
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,480
um

1425
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:33,119
but if you know if these buildings are

1426
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,599
either amplifying or sending off

1427
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,200
certain certain radio waves in a certain

1428
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:39,040
way like do you think it's possible that

1429
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:40,240
you know the plants are still picking

1430
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,200
this up and it's kind of like a uh

1431
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,920
you know enhancing the photosynthesis

1432
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,880
i don't know if it affects the

1433
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,559
photosynthesis it would take some

1434
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,920
serious study to figure out what exact

1435
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,119
exact effects they're having on the

1436
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,960
plants the insects and so on so not

1437
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,119
bioluminescence but biofluorescence of

1438
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,960
marine organisms is the topic

1439
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,680
biofluorescence is interesting yeah okay

1440
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:03,680
yeah but so you've got you've got all of

1441
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,839
these possibilities that that we've only

1442
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,319
begun to just touch on

1443
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,680
what might be going on it'll take a lot

1444
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,160
of experimentation to figure it out

1445
00:49:15,990 --> 00:49:14,480
so and and i i want i want to stress

1446
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,000
that

1447
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:17,760
it's going to take experimentation a lot

1448
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,839
people are very very quick to go you

1449
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,680
know this must be

1450
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,920
those words must be

1451
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,240
i distrust them instinctively usually

1452
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,240
when somebody says this must be the case

1453
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,440
what they mean is i don't have any

1454
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,150
let's look into it and that seems to be

1455
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,000
a more constructive approach but at any

1456
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:37,680
rate so you've got these you've got

1457
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,559
you've got these two possible um things

1458
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,520
that are going on there may be other

1459
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,680
factors entirely um it's very difficult

1460
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,240
to tell but you've got the temple

1461
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:48,160
structure itself you've got the various

1462
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,520
things that are done in the temple

1463
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:51,119
there's traditional activities that are

1464
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,079
done

1465
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,240
in a religious context but that also may

1466
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,839
have this effect on

1467
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:56,720
on

1468
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,839
large number of places about alignments

1469
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:02,720
or

1470
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,160
flow out from the temple

1471
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,599
that's not a forget about the

1472
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,599
congregation of people mean yeah there's

1473
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,359
a congregation here in the country

1474
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:18,470
now for here in ottawa it's like you

1475
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,520
know again

1476
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,920
this is kind of a shout out to my uh

1477
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,440
mentor uh

1478
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,440
renaud timson it's like if we have an

1479
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,119
experimental farm here i know those were

1480
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,520
all the rage in like the late 1800s if

1481
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,440
you have an experimental farm does that

1482
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:32,720
mean there's an experimental farmer's

1483
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:40,790
just saying think about that

1484
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:42,549
fertility was as important for human

1485
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,440
beings

1486
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:46,079
back in the day as it was for crops and

1487
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,760
things like that because

1488
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,520
at a time of very high childhood

1489
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:52,079
mortality um and things like that you

1490
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,520
needed a fairly steady birth rate to

1491
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,680
maintain your population

1492
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,599
and so yeah the farmer's daughter is

1493
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,000
also coming to the temple and getting

1494
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,480
bathed in the in the radiation and so

1495
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,480
that if she was engaged in the usual

1496
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,839
pursuits of farmers daughters the

1497
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,440
likelihood the child would result might

1498
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,000
will go up but again research needs to

1499
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,680
be done i i want to return to the

1500
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,040
alignment so there's been a lot of

1501
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:15,119
confusion around the subject of blaze or

1502
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,240
ley lines

1503
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:17,599
which was exactly the subject i was

1504
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,109
there we go um

1505
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,079
following a similar alignment yeah um

1506
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:28,559
this this is a it really is complex

1507
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,800
because a lot of people talk about lies

1508
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:32,640
and very few of them go back and

1509
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,880
actually read alfred watkins who was the

1510
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,040
guy who invented the concept

1511
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,119
his idea and i think there's a huge

1512
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,760
amount of merit to it was that the the

1513
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,880
lay system in england was a system of

1514
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,880
navigation across land

1515
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,200
um in primitive times you had various

1516
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:51,359
kinds of landmarks you would line up

1517
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,960
with one another and keep you know keep

1518
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:54,800
them more or less on the line and that

1519
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,280
would get you to the ford in this and

1520
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,960
this river which will allow so so

1521
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:00,720
merchants and pilgrims and people like

1522
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:01,440
this

1523
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,800
knew how to get where they were going at

1524
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,400
a time where there were no roads

1525
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,280
much less maps and you know gps wasn't

1526
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,119
even a dream yet

1527
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,359
so there was that aspect

1528
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,520
but there's also that sec that curious

1529
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,960
secondary aspect where some of these

1530
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,040
alignments seem to have something that

1531
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,720
moves along them

1532
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,760
some some subtle influence some energy

1533
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:24,000
we don't know what it is um there was a

1534
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:25,359
there was a program called the dragon

1535
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:26,480
project

1536
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,920
for some years in the in the late 20th

1537
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,760
century where people

1538
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:31,280
raised the money to get the necessary

1539
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,920
equipment to test for unusual energy

1540
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,440
effects around stone circles and so on

1541
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,400
and they found some whoppers

1542
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:40,400
they were getting weird ultrasonic

1543
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:41,680
effects they were getting weird

1544
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:44,000
electromagnetic effects

1545
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:45,359
there wasn't funding of course other

1546
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,480
than just people what people could

1547
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,760
scrape together and donate none of the

1548
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,520
scientific societies would have anything

1549
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:51,200
to do with it of course

1550
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,640
but

1551
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,400
so very clearly

1552
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,640
these alignments of standing stones and

1553
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,720
old temples and ancient churches built

1554
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,079
on the site on the sites of ancient

1555
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,040
pagan temples and so on

1556
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,720
in at least some cases there's an energy

1557
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,680
flow

1558
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:08,160
of some nature tolerant electricity

1559
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,280
possible

1560
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,359
something else good question more

1561
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,040
research needed

1562
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:15,520
but in many cases

1563
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:17,839
the temple tradition seems to link into

1564
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:18,559
this

1565
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:20,000
um japan is actually a really good

1566
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,599
testbed for that because they've got

1567
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:23,440
they have a more or less continuous

1568
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,800
tradition dating back to very ancient

1569
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,800
times in the form of shinto the the

1570
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:29,119
indigenous um japanese polytheistic

1571
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,160
religion

1572
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:31,680
and your basic shinto trend this is

1573
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,800
going to sound very familiar if you're a

1574
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,520
freemason there is a line extending from

1575
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:37,599
the the holy of holies in in what we may

1576
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:41,200
as well call the east um straight down

1577
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:42,800
straight down through the front door and

1578
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,280
zooming up you do not stand on the line

1579
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:49,200
it is not done to stand on the line you

1580
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,559
can cross it if you you know under

1581
00:53:53,670 --> 00:53:52,319
certain circumstances but you don't

1582
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:53,680
stand on the line you don't walk up the

1583
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:54,640
line

1584
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,960
between the master station and the altar

1585
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,720
in a masonic lodge

1586
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,240
which you only cross under certain very

1587
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,040
specific conditions um

1588
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,280
and the

1589
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,359
the shinto tradition is that there is an

1590
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,920
influence that flows from

1591
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,680
the holy place in the in you know in in

1592
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,920
the innermost sanctum sanctum of the of

1593
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,520
the shindo shrine

1594
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,240
straight out through that

1595
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,839
that line

1596
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:26,160
and then it goes across country

1597
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,520
and in many

1598
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,720
there are a lot of ways in which the

1599
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,200
traditions there seem very similar to

1600
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:32,640
those of some

1601
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:36,240
some of the lay traditions in england

1602
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,839
so i don't know that anyone's done with

1603
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:39,280
any kind of thorough comparative study

1604
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:40,880
there but it's certainly something that

1605
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:45,910
the ley line phenomena something i've

1606
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,079
looked a little bit into and whether

1607
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,559
it's uh lines between sacred sites in

1608
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,720
england i know that there

1609
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,240
have been some people who've tried to

1610
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,160
find correlations between uh the

1611
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,680
different sacred sites around the world

1612
00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:59,680
let's say like angkor wat and

1613
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,960
and uh you know the giza complex and

1614
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,960
easter island and you know

1615
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,559
do you like what what do you think these

1616
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,200
these ley lines uh like are is is it

1617
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,319
energy is it water is its uh just you

1618
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:13,680
know is it the soul of you know like the

1619
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,440
soul of the earth like in final fantasy

1620
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,839
vii where you know there's this

1621
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,160
uh you know like some you know some like

1622
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:22,000
experiment out there trying to like you

1623
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,520
know take over the world like what what

1624
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:25,040
what's going on with that

1625
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,800
a heck of a good question

1626
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:27,920
um

1627
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:29,680
and again remember that it doesn't have

1628
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,319
to be either or it can be both and um we

1629
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,319
don't know what's going on with ley

1630
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:36,240
lines or um

1631
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:36,960
i

1632
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,920
where you know the extent the extent of

1633
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:45,440
the network

1634
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,800
um

1635
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,400
we simply don't know

1636
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,079
and being willing to admit that and say

1637
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,319
okay here's a hypothesis which is just a

1638
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,599
guess

1639
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,359
is i think a good a good point one of

1640
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:57,839
the interesting things is that

1641
00:56:04,230 --> 00:55:59,760
the the lines themselves where you have

1642
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:05,910
where's the missing instrument if this

1643
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:08,000
is a an energy form where is the

1644
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,040
instrument

1645
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,440
by which to measure it

1646
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,720
that that's that's the question of

1647
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:13,839
course that was something that the

1648
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,520
dragon project tried very hard to come

1649
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,839
up with measurement instruments they did

1650
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:19,760
find that um

1651
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,799
measuring

1652
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:22,559
um electrical charges

1653
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,160
and other electromagnetic effects they

1654
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:26,000
tend to get some weird reactions but

1655
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,000
they were unpredictable so there's

1656
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,119
something that um people are these

1657
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,359
there's more research needed

1658
00:56:37,109 --> 00:56:35,440
but but i want to return here in chinese

1659
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,119
feng shui which is their their science

1660
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,280
of of landscape arrangement

1661
00:56:43,829 --> 00:56:41,520
their tradition is that natural flows

1662
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,839
always follow

1663
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:44,960
when you have a straight line that's

1664
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,160
something that was put there by people

1665
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,319
and so and you have to be very careful

1666
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:52,079
about such straight lines according to

1667
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:54,000
feng shui masters because

1668
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:55,520
if you're not care if you aren't careful

1669
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,040
with them they can be very destructive

1670
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,280
they can suck the life energy out of

1671
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,760
a locality they can put too much energy

1672
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,880
from you know through the middle of your

1673
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:04,880
house this kind of thing

1674
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,040
and in fact the the the

1675
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:09,280
lines the alignments in england

1676
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:12,960
delays that alfred watkins track

1677
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,000
connect man-made locations you know you

1678
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,280
have a stand you have a series of

1679
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,160
standing stones you have um sacred well

1680
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,640
here you have old church there always

1681
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:24,400
something was built

1682
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:27,440
similarly in japan um these these

1683
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,480
alignments based on that extend out from

1684
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,400
shinto shrines again those were built

1685
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,400
there and they're tori the temple gates

1686
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,839
these are gateways

1687
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,920
those are put there to to line up the

1688
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:39,440
force force that would apparently

1689
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,000
normally flow along curves

1690
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,160
um imperial china used to have these

1691
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,240
huge spirit roads zooming across very

1692
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,920
large parts of the

1693
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,400
of of the chinese empire which

1694
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,240
people did not travel on it was

1695
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:54,000
considered very bad bad luck and and

1696
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,440
disrespectful the emperor in this kind

1697
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:58,160
of stuff they were there for energy

1698
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,040
so

1699
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,040
i'm a little i i when people start

1700
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,119
talking about um ley lines being

1701
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,040
everywhere i'm not always so sure of

1702
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,640
that i suspect that you know as usual

1703
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:09,119
nature likes to move in curves and where

1704
00:58:11,589 --> 00:58:10,720
you find straight lines they've been

1705
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,599
built

1706
00:58:16,710 --> 00:58:14,720
some particular time for a purpose

1707
00:58:18,390 --> 00:58:16,720
it's kind of the same idea why you don't

1708
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,400
have a tv in the bedroom if you're

1709
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,520
married

1710
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,920
yeah yeah we we used my my wife and i

1711
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:23,280
used to have a tv in the bedroom like

1712
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,960
when we were living in our apartment and

1713
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:26,799
then we took it out of there and we when

1714
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,319
we moved to the new house and we had one

1715
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:30,079
when we were living in uh the house that

1716
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:31,599
i owned and then we bought a house

1717
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,799
together and they're like nope no more

1718
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:34,880
tv we're gonna do the the feng shui

1719
00:58:39,030 --> 00:58:37,680
thing and you know it's it's been a lot

1720
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:39,040
better for the relationship i find

1721
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,000
overall

1722
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,160
like just so

1723
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:44,319
like for for this type of this type of

1724
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,440
feng shui

1725
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:47,280
uh philosophy is this

1726
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,079
kind of

1727
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:49,599
the same idea that that's been built

1728
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,400
into

1729
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,200
uh like the location uh choosing an

1730
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:55,760
orientation of of temples like is it sun

1731
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,720
based like how how does that that work

1732
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,160
well no no

1733
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,079
one one of the buddhists also had no

1734
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,240
television in the bedroom yeah that's

1735
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:05,520
true it was probably why they attained

1736
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,990
yeah no

1737
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:14,079
it's a good point um

1738
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:19,349
there isn't just one thing you rely on

1739
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,720
and this is something you can learn from

1740
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:22,240
feng shui by the way if you the more the

1741
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,920
more you the more you study function the

1742
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,280
more

1743
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,040
different layers of meaning and

1744
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:29,280
complexity getting get added onto it you

1745
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,000
have um you have some aspect of it they

1746
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:34,000
derive from the from compass directions

1747
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:35,599
you have some aspects of it the derived

1748
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,079
from land forms you have some aspects of

1749
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,480
it that have to do with you know the

1750
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,520
relationship to sunrise and sunset

1751
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,680
and you have aspect just it's all over

1752
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,839
the place because it's

1753
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,680
it's not just

1754
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,520
this it's not the sort of thinking the

1755
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:53,040
sort of science we have nowadays where

1756
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,160
you start

1757
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,480
from a supposedly a set of simple causes

1758
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:59,200
and go in this linear cause and effect

1759
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,839
method all the way out instead you're

1760
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:04,079
collecting everything that works

1761
01:00:06,390 --> 01:00:05,440
you're testing it to make sure that it

1762
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,400
works and then you're putting you're

1763
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,799
just kind of piling it up

1764
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:10,319
because

1765
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,079
the the idea that nature is about linear

1766
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,079
cause and effect relationships is a very

1767
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,480
very modern western notion

1768
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,400
we're so quick to divide ideas as

1769
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:22,079
opposed to add them together

1770
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,839
yeah exactly and that's that's just a

1771
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,160
cultural that's a cultural kink on our

1772
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:28,880
part it's simply our cultural habit we

1773
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,880
like to think that way which is fine

1774
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,319
it's achieved some very interesting

1775
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,680
things but it's also achieved some very

1776
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:34,960
stupid things

1777
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,839
like televisions and bedrooms

1778
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,359
well you know they can't have their uses

1779
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:41,280
but i'll leave that for the listeners

1780
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,799
imaginations that's the bedrooms where

1781
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,480
the audition is supposed to happen it's

1782
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,079
so we can watch hell's kitchen whenever

1783
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:48,640
we want i'm telling you man

1784
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:49,920
i want to learn how to make scallops

1785
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,880
finally

1786
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:52,079
um

1787
01:00:55,510 --> 01:00:53,040
with

1788
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:55,520
going back to ley lines and i know i

1789
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,720
know that there's a component of sacred

1790
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,880
geometry that that

1791
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:01,040
is related to this in some way

1792
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:03,040
and all you know going from small to big

1793
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:04,559
and the idea that even you know the

1794
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,440
smallest component of reality it will be

1795
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:09,359
essentially the very similar the largest

1796
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:11,280
component of reality at a large enough

1797
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,160
scale

1798
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:14,319
is is there like a real is there a

1799
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:15,599
relation to

1800
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:16,319
um

1801
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,000
how they were built in the lay lines to

1802
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:20,000
sacred geometry and like how is that

1803
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,440
figured out

1804
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,280
um there does seem to be some such

1805
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:25,599
relationship and again

1806
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,760
but i'm going to be falling back on that

1807
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:29,839
that same thing more research is needed

1808
01:01:35,190 --> 01:01:33,440
here what we know is that certain ley

1809
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:35,200
lines in in britain certainly certainly

1810
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:37,760
lends at certain angles

1811
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,270
the relative to the lines of the lines

1812
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,799
of latitude okay

1813
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,480
certain leylands tend to be associated

1814
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:49,440
with certain kinds of um

1815
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,119
of sacred places

1816
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:53,280
places sacred to

1817
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,280
the archangel michael for example tend

1818
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:56,880
to be on particular kinds of lines

1819
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:00,079
particular angles across the landscape

1820
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:02,640
there are locations that have that are

1821
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,880
sites of ancient sanctity that seem to

1822
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,559
be spaced around

1823
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,400
like the periphery of a circle

1824
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,559
a circle perhaps divided into 12 12

1825
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:12,079
sections john michelle did some really

1826
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,839
interesting work on that

1827
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:15,839
and and so on

1828
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,240
do we understand the underlying geometry

1829
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,880
behind it no we don't

1830
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:22,559
one of the things we have to and this is

1831
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:23,920
something one of the things we have to

1832
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:25,119
keep in mind here and this is something

1833
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:26,480
very difficult for modern people to

1834
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:28,319
think we think we're pro we're we're

1835
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,040
progressive we have progress we know the

1836
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,200
truth and everyone else before us was

1837
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,520
primitive fumbling

1838
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:37,440
i'm going to break my usual

1839
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:40,000
habit here and say [\h__\h]

1840
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,839
in many cases we're the ones who are

1841
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:43,920
fumbling to try to understand something

1842
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,920
of which we have no clue

1843
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,520
that the ancients understood very very

1844
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,799
clearly

1845
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,280
sacred geometry is a great example where

1846
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:53,920
the really the modern revival of sacred

1847
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:56,640
geometry is is not much more than well

1848
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,599
actually i don't think it's quite a

1849
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:59,280
century old yet

1850
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:00,240
and

1851
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:02,000
before then you really have to go back

1852
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,359
to the renaissance when you had people

1853
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,799
who understood it very well and there's

1854
01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:06,240
a lot of material in latin that has

1855
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,760
never been translated

1856
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,599
on sacred geometry

1857
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:11,119
and then before that you're you're

1858
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,640
getting back into the middle ages into

1859
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:14,799
the classical period where there was a

1860
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:17,119
vastly better developed sense of how

1861
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:19,520
sacred geometry worked how the different

1862
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,200
aspects functioned together or didn't

1863
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,720
function together

1864
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:23,760
and

1865
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:26,720
fall

1866
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,319
that's part of one of the one of the

1867
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,480
normal rhythms of history you constantly

1868
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:32,640
have these situations where information

1869
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,680
is getting lost and then people come

1870
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:37,359
come later and try to piece it together

1871
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:39,119
and make a system that works and maybe

1872
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:40,640
they do so and then that fault you know

1873
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:42,559
their civilization falls and you pick up

1874
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:45,280
pieces again so

1875
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,640
we we've got

1876
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,799
a metaphor that i'm going to borrow from

1877
01:03:53,829 --> 01:03:51,119
the novelist john crowley who used it in

1878
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,839
one of his novels um

1879
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:55,520
it's as though

1880
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:58,880
this immense machinery of gleaming metal

1881
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,319
and glass and so on was smashed

1882
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,319
thrown to the ground trampled into the

1883
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,280
gutters and all we have chunks

1884
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,359
and we've been going around picking them

1885
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:11,440
up and gathering them together one by

1886
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:13,359
one piecing them together and say okay

1887
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:16,000
how does this fit this is wow these two

1888
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,839
pieces probably fit together click there

1889
01:04:20,950 --> 01:04:19,039
we go

1890
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,960
and

1891
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,799
we don't have we don't even have a clear

1892
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,960
idea of what the whole mechanism was

1893
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:27,119
much less what it looked like

1894
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:28,640
we have a few

1895
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:30,720
sub-assemblies maybe that we think

1896
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:33,039
pretty much this seems to work this way

1897
01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:34,640
you know this this

1898
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,359
we we pretty much understand now at this

1899
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,200
point the sacred geometry of the square

1900
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:40,799
root of two square root of three and

1901
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:43,359
golden proportion um

1902
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,880
ratios

1903
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:46,400
we've got a sense of how those work how

1904
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,640
those fit together how people use them

1905
01:04:53,430 --> 01:04:51,440
at least in the middle ages to lay out

1906
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:53,440
um

1907
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,839
cathedrals and things like that

1908
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,160
and we have some idea of how that

1909
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,000
interfaced with other aspects of same

1910
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,160
mysticism on the one hand operative

1911
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:04,079
occultism on the other and so on and so

1912
01:05:06,230 --> 01:05:04,960
forth

1913
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,240
but

1914
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,400
it's very important not to lose track of

1915
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:10,319
the fact that we are picking up the

1916
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:12,079
fragments of something that we don't

1917
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,720
understand and we're trying to make

1918
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:16,160
sense of them

1919
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:17,839
and one thing and i'm going to go a

1920
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,599
little bit like way off on a tangent

1921
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:22,000
here sure possible way but i'm going to

1922
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:23,359
try and connect it back in here with the

1923
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,640
ideas for sacred geometry and

1924
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,920
freemasonry everything that we've

1925
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:27,599
discussed so far

1926
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:30,400
it seems to me that these are extremely

1927
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:31,920
advanced ideas

1928
01:05:34,870 --> 01:05:32,720
that

1929
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:34,880
you know and i mean

1930
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,039
i'm kind of an inherent of the

1931
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:39,440
idea that there there was a civilization

1932
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:41,119
that was lost around the uh around the

1933
01:05:44,069 --> 01:05:42,480
last ice age

1934
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:44,079
um and

1935
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:45,200
i think the evidence for that is pretty

1936
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,599
good okay well if that's the case and

1937
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:48,640
one of the things i've been trying to be

1938
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,480
able to connect and literally one of the

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01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:53,280
reasons why i started this show was to

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01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:55,039
try and find out

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01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,839
what

1942
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:58,400
knowledge was there and to try and link

1943
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,799
freemasonry back to atlantis or whatever

1944
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,559
that was actually called because i

1945
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,640
strongly believe that freemasonry as a

1946
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,119
whole and you know the the core concepts

1947
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:09,920
of what the fraternity is supposed to be

1948
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,720
able to teach is the idea of

1949
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,880
okay this you know they're they're the

1950
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,880
universe and whether uh people will say

1951
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,039
that i'm an intelligent uh design uh

1952
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,440
adherent or not um i'm neither i just

1953
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:23,200
think that you know if whether it was a

1954
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,559
fourth dimensional being that started

1955
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,640
this third dimension just kind of kicked

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01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:28,240
the world off in a certain direction

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01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:30,319
just let it let it spin

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01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:31,440
that

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01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:36,720
able to either in create this existence

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01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,880
in this entire universe that we have

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01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,799
um that the

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01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:43,039
someone at some point in either some ant

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01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,960
deluvian age

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01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,720
note picked up on this and said like oh

1965
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:48,000
this kind of makes sense and just

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01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,000
started to build a body of knowledge

1967
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:52,160
around his observances or her

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01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:55,039
observances of the world at large and

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01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,319
said okay well

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01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,920
you know if whatever being created the

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01:07:00,710 --> 01:06:58,960
universe

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01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,720
created this they must have had to have

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01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,880
done an xyz

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01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:03,839
so

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01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:05,440
this kind of

1976
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:08,799
observation translated into

1977
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:10,319
essentially what freemasonry has become

1978
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,000
and and the idea of you know

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01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,480
construction or manifestation of

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01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:17,520
whether it's ideas or matter or

1981
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,520
just building you know what you know

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01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:20,880
let's say building companies or building

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01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,920
buildings

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01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,480
and if it's done within a certain um you

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01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:25,920
know within a certain

1986
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,480
framework and within a certain system

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01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,960
that it becomes a propagation machine as

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01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,720
it were that it's

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01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:34,400
uh you know like like businesses that

1990
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:35,920
are built around with certain certain

1991
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,359
principles can

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01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:38,799
generate great wealth and generate great

1993
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:40,720
wealth for not only the shareholders but

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01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:44,240
the employees and uh you know bring

1995
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,839
prosperity to the people who purchase

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01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:47,680
that service from the company whereas

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01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:50,319
others that do not follow that framework

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01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,760
are you know kind of like the goldman

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01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:53,520
sachs and and you know the financial

2000
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,039
institutions of the world where all they

2001
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:56,880
call is uh causes pain and misery except

2002
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,720
for a few select few

2003
01:08:02,069 --> 01:08:00,400
so the idea was that somebody observed

2004
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,079
this and said okay well we have to be

2005
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,920
able to teach these principles to

2006
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:05,520
uh on you know the people who are ruling

2007
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:08,160
the um uh you know ruling the nation as

2008
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:09,119
it were

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01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:11,039
and you know at some point that

2010
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,240
knowledge was lost but it was still

2011
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,079
carried over to like egypt

2012
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,960
and that same kind of philosophy was

2013
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,880
integrated within the original

2014
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,480
pre-dynastic uh

2015
01:08:24,149 --> 01:08:22,319
you know times which graham had the

2016
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:24,159
graham hancock would call it zeptepi the

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01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,279
first time

2018
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:27,120
and that kind of went from there to

2019
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,560
let's say you know the romans and the

2020
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:30,719
israelis and that same that same

2021
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:32,319
knowledge then spread from like egypt

2022
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:34,560
out to the eastern philosophies into

2023
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,040
europe which you know

2024
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,839
so um

2025
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,520
the idea of

2026
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,920
this type of sacred geometry being used

2027
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:46,080
within the construction of buildings

2028
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:49,839
um to be able to nourish the land

2029
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,279
i totally think that that's a hundred

2030
01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,520
percent has credence because

2031
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:55,279
what where where like well where could

2032
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,640
it have come from at the first time but

2033
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:58,799
also at the same time

2034
01:09:01,349 --> 01:09:00,159
you know for for somebody to spend a

2035
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,359
hundred years in building a beautiful

2036
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,359
cathedral that takes thousands of years

2037
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:05,359
to be able to get that type of

2038
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:07,759
precision and that type of specialized

2039
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,440
knowledge it does not appear overnight

2040
01:09:15,269 --> 01:09:13,839
you know in fact um to to to add another

2041
01:09:17,669 --> 01:09:15,279
data point to that

2042
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,679
um there's a fascinating book um i

2043
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,040
forgot the name of the author the title

2044
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,040
is an axomander in the architects

2045
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:23,120
and it's point it talks about the way

2046
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:23,920
that

2047
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,799
greek philosophy and greek temple

2048
01:09:31,590 --> 01:09:29,120
architecture sprang up at the same time

2049
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:31,600
by way of the same people um with

2050
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,080
imported ideas from egypt driving both

2051
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:36,159
of them

2052
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:39,679
wow and yeah oh is it it's yeah i i that

2053
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,319
was oddly enough that was my reaction

2054
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:44,960
because um in alexander who was who was

2055
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:48,000
an early greek philosopher was also a

2056
01:09:51,829 --> 01:09:49,359
major innovator in the building trades

2057
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,839
in engineering and the author of this

2058
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,600
book was pointing out there was there's

2059
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:56,400
there is a weird sort of

2060
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:57,280
um

2061
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:59,600
blind intellectual blindness in modern

2062
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:01,360
scholars because they teach they treat

2063
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,560
him as just a philosopher which without

2064
01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:06,080
realizing this guy also had these

2065
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,159
practical abilities and the and these

2066
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,199
things informed his philosophy

2067
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,679
so there's actually a lot

2068
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,520
of stuff there's a lot of connection

2069
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,440
there um

2070
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:19,040
and you know

2071
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,719
that that seems to me that would follow

2072
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:22,080
very directly from what you're saying

2073
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:23,520
now one thing one thing i'm going to

2074
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,320
suggest with regard to sacred geometry

2075
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:28,560
um and also generally with with the

2076
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,840
esoteric philosophy that underlies it

2077
01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:34,159
the whether the world was k was as you

2078
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:36,320
say kick-started by you know a

2079
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:38,800
fourth-dimensional being or something

2080
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,440
it's a common place of esoteric

2081
01:10:45,030 --> 01:10:43,199
philosophy the creation is not something

2082
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,040
that happened once

2083
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,120
it's constantly happening you can watch

2084
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,679
it happen you know anytime you watch a

2085
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,239
solution with say a lot of a lot of salt

2086
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:54,239
in it you get water

2087
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,840
you heat up water you dissolve a whole

2088
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,360
bunch of salt on it you let the water

2089
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,280
cool and then you drop a single crystal

2090
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:01,440
of salt into it

2091
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:02,880
crystallized

2092
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,960
watch the way that happens you're seeing

2093
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:07,120
creation in process and those salt

2094
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:10,159
crystals are all cubes they all have an

2095
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:11,760
innate geometry

2096
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:13,280
watch a plant grow

2097
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,520
most plants follow

2098
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:17,440
the golden proportion in their growth

2099
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,400
patterns

2100
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,480
to an astonishing degree there are some

2101
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:21,920
really neat books that have been written

2102
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,199
on the sacred geometry of plant growth

2103
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,000
and so these patterns the these these

2104
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:30,640
basic patterns of creation are patterns

2105
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:33,840
that that shape everything that comes

2106
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,199
into being in the natural world

2107
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,199
and if you understand them and you then

2108
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:41,840
say okay we you know our hypothetical

2109
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:44,239
atlantean atlantean high priestess let's

2110
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:45,199
say

2111
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,600
these patterns govern everything that

2112
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,679
happens in the natural world and they

2113
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,679
you know that that's and it is through

2114
01:11:57,430 --> 01:11:55,440
these patterns that the natural world

2115
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,440
has the harmony the balance the beauty

2116
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:58,560
that it does

2117
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:59,360
if

2118
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:03,750
use the same patterns to guide

2119
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,239
our constructions what's the logical

2120
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,040
result

2121
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,000
going to

2122
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:14,880
have the harmony the beauty exactly

2123
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,199
exactly and so and this is something

2124
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,040
this is what has been guided what has

2125
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,960
guided the thought and the practice of

2126
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,719
sacred geometers

2127
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,880
sin as far back as we have records that

2128
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:27,040
they they realize that there are these

2129
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,120
innate patterns

2130
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,360
any geometrical numerical musical

2131
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,600
astronomical patterns the old quadrivium

2132
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:35,199
the four sciences

2133
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:38,159
of the of the pythagorean world um

2134
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:40,640
these patterns exist in everything and

2135
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:42,000
if you work with them you're going to

2136
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,199
get you're going to do a lot better than

2137
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:45,040
if you try to just ignore them and say

2138
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,640
no no i'm going to stick up this

2139
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:49,040
gigantic steel and glass penis in the

2140
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:50,800
middle of the city we call them

2141
01:13:02,310 --> 01:12:54,080
skyscrapers but you know what they are

2142
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:04,229
not inappropriately i think one of the

2143
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:05,760
ideas you're getting at there is uh you

2144
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,880
know things like uh the cubit is uh

2145
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,840
pi minus phi squared and you find those

2146
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:13,920
things in in all these ancient temples

2147
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:16,400
as well as uh nature

2148
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,320
and it's sort of like uh you have this

2149
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,760
nate and phi is like nature's

2150
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,640
approximation of approaching pi

2151
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:26,320
yeah so you've got something that's

2152
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,080
infinite and then something that's also

2153
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,159
getting constantly closer and closer

2154
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,800
towards the infinite uh like

2155
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,480
two parallel lines that never touch but

2156
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,320
are constantly

2157
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:37,840
tilted so it's constantly getting closer

2158
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,199
to the other or something which goes

2159
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,960
back to the whole circle a point with a

2160
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,880
circle with two columns on either side

2161
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,000
where they're two lines that are going

2162
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:46,000
on for at infinim but never necessarily

2163
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:47,440
meeting

2164
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,800
but they're brought in a relationship

2165
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,320
with them yeah they're brought in a

2166
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:51,760
relationship with one another by the

2167
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:53,600
circle and the point and there's you

2168
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:54,640
know there's a whole bunch of other

2169
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,440
stuff you can work with on that basis

2170
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:59,360
but so you have it

2171
01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:00,880
you know with within within temples

2172
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:04,159
within cathedrals you have these very

2173
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,840
very specific systems of proportion

2174
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:09,360
and you were mentioning what one of you

2175
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:10,880
was mentioning earlier that there were

2176
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,840
actually competing systems of

2177
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:16,080
actually yeah that was you okay in

2178
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:18,080
medieval europe um

2179
01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:19,520
there were the quadra the people who did

2180
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:21,040
add quadratum and the people who did add

2181
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:22,480
triangulum and they were you know they

2182
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:24,000
were all um

2183
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,600
operative masons but they belong to

2184
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:27,280
different guilds in different parts of

2185
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,480
europe and there were real quarrels

2186
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:32,320
between the two i mean one game the

2187
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:35,520
protractor the other guy had this

2188
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,080
yeah well one guy had the square

2189
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:39,840
and in fact one of the reason one of the

2190
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:42,560
reasons that we know that the of the

2191
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,000
operative guilt that gave rise to

2192
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,159
moderate freemasonry um

2193
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:48,560
what was on the odd quadratum side what

2194
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:54,229
it's a square it's a euclid

2195
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,719
uh euclid's uh 43rd the theorem of mount

2196
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:58,159
mistake

2197
01:15:01,030 --> 01:14:59,600
interesting okay in america it's just a

2198
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:01,040
plain square

2199
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:02,640
yeah

2200
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,840
that there are like the grand master may

2201
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:07,440
have in certain jurisdictions will

2202
01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:10,640
actually have the the uh compasses and

2203
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,520
uh to anybody out there compasses is

2204
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:14,719
that's the thing that you use in

2205
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:16,239
geometry class out of your protractor

2206
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,719
set uh a compass not the thing that

2207
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:20,719
defines north for you exactly there's

2208
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,280
two two parts two arms to a compass is

2209
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,199
that's why we call it compasses so yeah

2210
01:15:30,470 --> 01:15:28,320
exactly and so um but yeah and in fact

2211
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,480
um in the scottish rite at a certain

2212
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:32,239
point one is told that one is passing

2213
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,120
from the square to the compasses

2214
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:37,280
from the universe and in fact

2215
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,199
the french some of the french traditions

2216
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,440
that fit into the scottish rite had

2217
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:43,199
connections to the attractive side of

2218
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,320
the thing

2219
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,239
so you you actually you literally had

2220
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,159
fist fights on there was this this um

2221
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:50,000
this situation in

2222
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,760
um let's see it was in 50 in the very

2223
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,120
early 15th century i think it was in

2224
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:55,280
milan they were rebuilding the cathedral

2225
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:56,719
milan was a bit was it was a very

2226
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:57,840
important city in those days they had a

2227
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,960
lot of money they were going to

2228
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,480
completely rebuild the cathedral and

2229
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:02,400
make it's absolutely gorgeous thing and

2230
01:16:08,229 --> 01:16:06,800
they brought in um master masons and um

2231
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:08,239
and fellow crafts and apprentices from

2232
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,760
all over the place all over italy and

2233
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:11,120
southern germany and things like that

2234
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,560
and the problem was that about half of

2235
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:14,080
them were on the ad quadratum side and

2236
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:15,280
about half of them were on the dragon

2237
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:16,640
gillum side

2238
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:19,600
and there it turned into this complete

2239
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:22,480
brouhaha because they were debating and

2240
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:24,000
snarling at each other and insisting

2241
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:25,280
they should be this way should be that

2242
01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:27,760
way and finally the duke milan sent away

2243
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:29,760
for francesco georgie who was the

2244
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,320
greatest sacred geometry of the age

2245
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,080
it's a little like you know calling you

2246
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:36,159
know somebody called albert einstein to

2247
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:37,600
come settle a quarrel in the physics

2248
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:38,560
department

2249
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,600
um

2250
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,320
and so but francesco georgie came and

2251
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:44,880
listened to everybody and worked out of

2252
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:49,120
a system whereby the ground plan was i

2253
01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:51,199
think the ground plan was at quadratum

2254
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:53,360
and the elevation was all uh triangulum

2255
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,040
and it still worked

2256
01:16:58,950 --> 01:16:57,520
well because you take two triangles well

2257
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,960
if you take two triangles and you like

2258
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:00,719
you know you flip one the one way and

2259
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:02,239
you flip one the other way you put them

2260
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,320
together you get a square or or a

2261
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:05,760
rectangle so

2262
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,360
depending depending on the triangle yeah

2263
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:10,080
true yes uh yeah exactly

2264
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:12,239
but but no it's it was really it was

2265
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,679
really elegantly done and of course he

2266
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:15,360
was he was using

2267
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:17,040
he's using the fact that you can you can

2268
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:20,159
get a fairly close approximation to the

2269
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,760
golden proportion

2270
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:23,440
out of both the actually you can get the

2271
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,560
gold proportion if you know what you're

2272
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:26,640
doing out of either the square root of 2

2273
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,440
the quadratum ratio or the square root

2274
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,679
of three they had triangulum ratio

2275
01:17:34,950 --> 01:17:33,760
and so yeah it was just it was this this

2276
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,960
marvelous thing so everyone was

2277
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,719
satisfied they built the cathedral or

2278
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,320
rebuilt the cathedral

2279
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:40,960
so yeah it's it it was a big deal but

2280
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,480
this is more of that piecing together

2281
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:44,560
process because

2282
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:46,560
when the medieval master builders got

2283
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:48,640
going when when stone buildings started

2284
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,880
being built again in europe um

2285
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,640
they were importing whatever ideas they

2286
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:54,239
could get from the byzantine empire they

2287
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,480
were importing ideas from the arabs or

2288
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:58,960
the crew went after the crusades

2289
01:18:02,470 --> 01:18:01,440
um there was a lot of information picked

2290
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,480
up from

2291
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,080
the the conquered crusader states in the

2292
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,280
holy land um from the locals as to stone

2293
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:08,800
building all that came back with by the

2294
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:10,239
knights templar were a major factor

2295
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:11,440
there

2296
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:13,199
they had they actually had their own

2297
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,640
their own building crews because they

2298
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:16,719
had them they had six huge castles in

2299
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:19,280
the holy land they had all of these

2300
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:21,440
uh preceptories and chapter houses and

2301
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,120
farms and everything in europe to raise

2302
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,520
money so they had they needed builders

2303
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,840
this is also why i kind of like whenever

2304
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:29,679
somebody says like oh freemasons are

2305
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:31,040
taking over the world and you know

2306
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:33,040
illuminati confirmed and you know

2307
01:18:36,149 --> 01:18:34,719
illuminati this i'm like man we can't

2308
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:36,159
even decide on where the pancake

2309
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:37,440
breakfast is going to be monthly half

2310
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,400
the time like what what the hell are you

2311
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:42,880
talking about like seriously like do you

2312
01:18:45,910 --> 01:18:44,960
do you know how much disagreement we

2313
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:45,920
have

2314
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,040
within our own crap like oh man like oh

2315
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,120
like oh geez

2316
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:53,920
if if the freemasons actually ran the

2317
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:55,199
world

2318
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,719
there would be endless

2319
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,199
debates endless unsolved debates and way

2320
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:01,440
too much bad coffee brother i'll have a

2321
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,960
joke for you

2322
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:04,560
go ahead how many freemasons does it

2323
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:06,880
take to screw in a light bulb

2324
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,600
how many uh one but uh it has to go to

2325
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:10,880
committee first it'll be there for about

2326
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:16,950
that's good um

2327
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,040
a parallel um

2328
01:19:24,070 --> 01:19:21,040
version is how many masons does it take

2329
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:24,080
to change a light bulb

2330
01:19:28,229 --> 01:19:26,080
the light bulb never gets changed

2331
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,239
exactly the supposed to change we don't

2332
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:33,830
the light bulb goes up that we i got

2333
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:36,880
like whose fault it was that light bulb

2334
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:40,159
worked perfectly well back in 1952

2335
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:42,320
exactly

2336
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:43,520
oh yeah

2337
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:46,800
oh my goodness okay that's good

2338
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:49,040
the world has many things to worry about

2339
01:19:56,229 --> 01:19:50,880
but a masonic takeover is not one of

2340
01:20:04,709 --> 01:19:57,430
the only reason the world's still

2341
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:05,910
although you know most of the young

2342
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,560
masons i know um constantly make jokes

2343
01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:10,480
about yeah often often you know we'll

2344
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,640
have to subvert civilization tonight

2345
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:14,480
it's loud tonight

2346
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:15,679
i meant i joined for the virgin

2347
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,430
the invitation to the satanic orgies

2348
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:32,790
now the like this is a pretty good segue

2349
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,960
into freemasonry in terms of the

2350
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,280
uh like the the ritual construction and

2351
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,840
and trying to be able to devise um you

2352
01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:41,920
know lessons for the brethren who are

2353
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:42,960
listening and i know there are quite a

2354
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:45,040
few because i've told them all year on

2355
01:20:50,950 --> 01:20:47,040
um

2356
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:50,960
how how has that that uh you know that's

2357
01:20:54,630 --> 01:20:52,960
how is the ritual kind of been brought

2358
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,640
forward from the ancient times to now

2359
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,800
like what what are the parallels

2360
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:58,880
well this no now first of all

2361
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,800
that's one of the difficulties in

2362
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,560
answering that is we don't know much

2363
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:04,320
about the ancient rituals

2364
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,440
for example the rituals of the

2365
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,120
aliasinian mysteries

2366
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:09,440
completely gone nobody knows there are a

2367
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:11,360
few scraps of detail

2368
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:13,920
about what might have happened in a few

2369
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,960
old christian sources and that is it

2370
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,840
um

2371
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:19,840
egyptian temple rituals we have a few

2372
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:22,960
scraps here and there mostly hymns

2373
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,239
um we simply don't know you trey if you

2374
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,960
trace the trace masonic ritual back

2375
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,120
as far as we've got record

2376
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:32,880
when the first grand lodge was founded

2377
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,360
in 1717 there were only two degrees in

2378
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:37,280
the blue lodge there was some editor

2379
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,040
apprentice and fellow craft

2380
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:41,120
the master mason degree showed up from

2381
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,080
somewhere nobody knows where around 1720

2382
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:46,080
and all of a sudden it's there

2383
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:49,199
and thereafter um additional degrees

2384
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:50,960
start cropping up like like mushrooms

2385
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:53,679
after a good rainstorm

2386
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,480
probably certainly the the research i've

2387
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:58,400
done suggests that

2388
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,600
the degree the degrees that are

2389
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:04,000
night mason on the one hand

2390
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:05,280
and then

2391
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,639
the order of the

2392
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,800
the illustrious order the red cross

2393
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:11,360
which which is part of the part of the

2394
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:13,760
the order of knights templar and then

2395
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:16,719
um let's see i believe it is the 15th

2396
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:19,120
and 16th degrees of the scottish rite

2397
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,800
yeah the uh they're all they're all

2398
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:22,080
versions they're all versions of the

2399
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:23,600
same degree

2400
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:25,440
they all have to do with zerupable's

2401
01:22:29,110 --> 01:22:27,679
journey back to um

2402
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,120
you know to journey from jerusalem to

2403
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,360
babylon and so on that's probably those

2404
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,920
are probably um descended from the

2405
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,159
oldest of the of the higher degrees to

2406
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,920
be invented the royal arch came fairly

2407
01:22:41,510 --> 01:22:39,600
quickly thereafter and things

2408
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:41,520
proliferated

2409
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:43,920
from there on but what was going on

2410
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,440
before 1717

2411
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:49,199
we have a few scraps of information

2412
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:50,320
about

2413
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:53,600
european guild initiations not much

2414
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:57,679
um in terms of the ancient um

2415
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:00,960
the ancient greek and roman mysteries

2416
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:06,550
a little more than squat but not much

2417
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,920
in terms of rituals in as i mentioned in

2418
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,360
egypt

2419
01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,520
we know very little

2420
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:14,800
enough that enough to know that there

2421
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:16,480
are some weird parallels between ancient

2422
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:18,000
egyptian um

2423
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,679
offering rituals to their gods and the

2424
01:23:23,110 --> 01:23:21,520
rituals currently practice in japan in

2425
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:23,120
shinto shrines to make offerings to the

2426
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:24,000
kami

2427
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:25,440
but that's just that's another head

2428
01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:26,480
scratcher

2429
01:23:29,830 --> 01:23:28,239
and

2430
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:29,840
but but we're really we're really

2431
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,960
floundering in the dark here because

2432
01:23:37,910 --> 01:23:35,040
to the extent that material was passed

2433
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:37,920
on it was passed on in secret

2434
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:40,159
nothing was written down

2435
01:23:43,910 --> 01:23:41,760
everybody and and people seem to have

2436
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:43,920
kept their mouth good and tightly shut

2437
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:46,159
the whole time and so you know we don't

2438
01:23:48,629 --> 01:23:47,600
know

2439
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:48,639
have you

2440
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,560
heard anything of the tenor's guilds or

2441
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:53,040
the silversmith guilds and the old pipe

2442
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,239
organs that they used to do these

2443
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,639
gigantic church pipe organs we were

2444
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:59,120
hoping to uh chat about like acoustics

2445
01:24:07,110 --> 01:24:00,800
of temple design and

2446
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,910
certainly i mean all the old guilds they

2447
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:11,199
had their rituals they had their

2448
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:13,440
traditions and teachings with customs

2449
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,199
and

2450
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,960
acoustics

2451
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,880
again that's that's a that's a huge

2452
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:21,360
field that very little has been done

2453
01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:22,800
done with so far

2454
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:24,080
um

2455
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:25,440
certainly

2456
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,440
strange acoustic effects are something

2457
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,360
you find in old sacred spaces all the

2458
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,360
time here's an example that i that i

2459
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:33,199
discovered i had a chance to experience

2460
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:34,480
personally

2461
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:36,080
if you go to

2462
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:37,440
in southeastern england you go to the

2463
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:39,280
little town of wilmington

2464
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:41,600
um up on the hill side above wilmington

2465
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,120
is the wilmington longman which is a

2466
01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:45,679
chalk figure a human being holding a

2467
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:48,480
stat one staffing each hand

2468
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:49,600
okay

2469
01:24:53,189 --> 01:24:50,719
now

2470
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,199
if you go up onto the figure

2471
01:24:56,550 --> 01:24:55,040
we want you to take two people have one

2472
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:56,560
person go up under the figure onto the

2473
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:57,840
header chest or the figure and the other

2474
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,760
person stayed on this flat area just

2475
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,600
below the feet

2476
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:03,360
you can have a conversation you're

2477
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,719
hundreds of yards from each other you

2478
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,400
can have a conversation a normal tone of

2479
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:07,920
voice and each of you can hear every

2480
01:25:12,709 --> 01:25:10,000
word the other says

2481
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,719
the entire hillside has been carefully

2482
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,199
shaped so that it bounces the sound

2483
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:17,679
waves back and forth if either of you

2484
01:25:21,990 --> 01:25:20,239
leaves that leaves the the focus points

2485
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,000
of that the person in the flat area

2486
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:24,000
walks you know 20 feet to one side the

2487
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:26,320
person up on the head of the thing walks

2488
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:28,080
20 feet in a different way the effect

2489
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,320
vanishes we have a curve like that built

2490
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,639
into part of a monument right near pearl

2491
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:34,239
and hill in ottawa

2492
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,920
yeah so you get you get that kind of

2493
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,679
that kind of that kind of communication

2494
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:39,360
effect there are buildings that are

2495
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,880
designed so there are two places and

2496
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,199
yeah you can you can talk right back and

2497
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,440
forth between them and nobody else in

2498
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,520
the building can hear your conversation

2499
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:49,840
what i also found cool is is that uh

2500
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,080
this is a plug to the old stereo

2501
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,800
nightclub in montreal um i i'm a dj or

2502
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:56,159
at least was formerly a dj in a

2503
01:26:00,310 --> 01:25:57,600
different life and nightclub owner and

2504
01:26:01,830 --> 01:26:00,320
promoter uh there was a sound system out

2505
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,840
there produced by a company called

2506
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,960
faison

2507
01:26:06,870 --> 01:26:05,199
and their specialty was producing sound

2508
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,880
that was sound systems that were so

2509
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,400
clear and so accurate in the

2510
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:10,880
reproduction that at stereo nightclub

2511
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,440
back before it burned down

2512
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,120
under mysterious circumstances which i

2513
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:18,159
don't know about uh to its current

2514
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:20,000
it's montreal so again for anybody from

2515
01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:21,760
montreal for listening yeah you probably

2516
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:24,880
know what's up um but at the same time

2517
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:27,360
you could stand on the old stereo

2518
01:26:31,350 --> 01:26:29,440
dance floor and have a conversation with

2519
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,360
somebody a decent voice volume without

2520
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:33,199
yelling because the sound system was

2521
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:35,679
positioned and tuned in such a way that

2522
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:37,280
you would have the amazing bit you would

2523
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,719
feel the bass in you you would hear the

2524
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,040
bass but it wouldn't interfere with the

2525
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:44,000
uh with the audio from your voice to the

2526
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,360
individual who was two feet in front of

2527
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:47,440
you while you're dancing and in certain

2528
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,880
cases your shirt would be off but you

2529
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:50,960
know that's that's that that's personal

2530
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,440
choices and you know we respect him

2531
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:55,520
you need to start djing some polyphonic

2532
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:57,040
music so we can get some acoustic

2533
01:27:00,629 --> 01:26:59,120
levitation up in this temple oh we tried

2534
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,639
that at euphoria once it didn't work out

2535
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,480
too well for this for the speakers too

2536
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,080
much compression and yeah the

2537
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:06,239
compression kills sound quality

2538
01:27:09,669 --> 01:27:08,239
so there you go we'll start start by

2539
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:09,679
trying to levitate the scarab i think

2540
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,400
that was probably a good place to be

2541
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:14,800
now there there are certain uh in

2542
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,199
proponents of the idea that

2543
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:18,880
you know sound or word you know either

2544
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,400
sound or words of power or i should say

2545
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,239
words have power and

2546
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,400
i know that there are uh people who have

2547
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:28,639
reported that there are monks in

2548
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,719
somewhere in nepal or tibet that can

2549
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,040
levitate stones based on beating of

2550
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:35,199
drums and chanting within a circle

2551
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:36,080
um

2552
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:37,040
and

2553
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,159
you know there are some people who kind

2554
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,400
of link that back to freemasonry and say

2555
01:27:44,070 --> 01:27:42,159
well you know we say certain words and

2556
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:44,080
we have certain sounds that are set all

2557
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,800
in unison within the lodge and whether

2558
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:48,880
that is either to be able to uh have a

2559
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:50,800
certain effect within the energy around

2560
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:52,480
the lodge or within that area when it's

2561
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:56,080
tiled or to produce some type of effect

2562
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:57,679
uh you know that kind of goes within

2563
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,800
within the idea of like you know the the

2564
01:28:03,910 --> 01:28:02,800
you know the the the ceremony itself and

2565
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,920
how

2566
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,360
you know

2567
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,120
all major churches do that it's just we

2568
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:09,280
don't talk about it

2569
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:10,639
this is the den of war we talk about

2570
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:12,560
everything

2571
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,120
um it was it was a tradition in ancient

2572
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:17,360
greece that the walls of the city of

2573
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:18,480
thebes

2574
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:21,440
were actually raised by sound waves

2575
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:22,960
um we're not doing those concave

2576
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:26,000
ceilings too often anymore

2577
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,800
but

2578
01:28:32,149 --> 01:28:29,360
yeah they the the one of the founders of

2579
01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:32,159
the town of thebes amphion had um the

2580
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:35,600
necessary ability um with music who was

2581
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:37,760
literally directing sound waves to make

2582
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:39,600
the stones rise

2583
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:41,120
whether that's meant literally or

2584
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,880
symbolically it's a really interesting

2585
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:44,719
question i personally would like to see

2586
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,440
it

2587
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:47,199
but i'm not going to i'm not going to

2588
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:48,400
discount

2589
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:49,840
one of the things that i think is

2590
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:52,560
absolutely crucial don't just because

2591
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:54,159
our current scientists don't know how to

2592
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:56,000
do it doesn't mean it can't be done well

2593
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,679
we can we can levitate with sound now

2594
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:59,040
it's just on a much smaller scale

2595
01:29:02,149 --> 01:29:00,639
because we haven't we haven't figured it

2596
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:02,159
out like you know putting it within a

2597
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,239
certain wavelength and this you know

2598
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,560
sound is a wave and a lot of the light

2599
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,880
energy is also waves so like again

2600
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,239
that's kind of the whole idea that

2601
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:12,000
energy itself is a wave

2602
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:13,840
so whether you're levitating with uh you

2603
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:16,080
know growing stuff with light waves

2604
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:17,440
whether you are

2605
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,000
trying to catch on uh you know a am

2606
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,960
radio or which you know for

2607
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,719
which was like the podcast of its time

2608
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,800
uh hello george dory and your coast

2609
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:29,040
ghost a.m love you love you to death

2610
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:32,560
and you know it's the same idea so

2611
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:34,080
you know i don't i don't think i would

2612
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,840
not discount it it's actually something

2613
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:38,159
that we've we've discussed uh alex and i

2614
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:41,520
at length um and sonoluminescence is

2615
01:29:43,350 --> 01:29:42,639
actually something we've brought on to

2616
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:43,360
the

2617
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:47,040
idea that you've got a star in a jar

2618
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,239
that if you uh

2619
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:49,840
compress a

2620
01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:52,480
uh a bubble in uh that's suspended in

2621
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,239
water with sound waves it actually kind

2622
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:56,800
of compresses and starts to emit light

2623
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:59,199
and scientists can't necessarily explain

2624
01:30:01,830 --> 01:30:00,719
how this happens yet

2625
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:01,840
and we don't know if it will start a

2626
01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:04,000
fusion or not so

2627
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:05,840
yeah something some kind of energy

2628
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:08,000
release is going on where it's from is a

2629
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:10,719
really interesting question and again

2630
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,000
listeners are gonna get bored with this

2631
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,920
phrase but it's necessary more research

2632
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:15,360
is needed

2633
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:17,440
um it's like it's like alchemy um that's

2634
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:18,480
something that i've done a fair amount

2635
01:30:22,950 --> 01:30:20,719
of research into and

2636
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:22,960
the the evidence does suggest that there

2637
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:26,880
does seem to be some kind of way

2638
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,719
to transmute elements

2639
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:30,639
um the fact that our current scientists

2640
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:32,159
can't do it without

2641
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:33,440
you know

2642
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:35,280
large amounts of heavy radiation doesn't

2643
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,520
mean it can't be done they say chicken

2644
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:39,120
can do that

2645
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,920
if you if you monitor how much sodium a

2646
01:30:45,430 --> 01:30:43,679
chicken eats versus how much sodium

2647
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:45,440
comes out of a chicken there's somehow

2648
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,880
more sodium coming out of a chicken than

2649
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:48,960
they're putting into the chicken

2650
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:51,840
yeah i feel like a biological organism

2651
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:53,040
let me cover onto biological

2652
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:54,800
transmutations i would love to see those

2653
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:56,159
experiments replicated so i don't have

2654
01:31:02,310 --> 01:31:00,790
no the problem is you're salting your

2655
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:02,320
chicken and it's turning the chicken

2656
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,520
it's turning the salt into something

2657
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,600
else well i'm croatian so that means we

2658
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:07,280
have to use a lot of salt

2659
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:09,040
oh there we go getting back to the

2660
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,360
facility and temples uh there's also

2661
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:13,520
that other tradition with the in the

2662
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:16,800
in the basement of some of those old

2663
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:18,159
temples from around the world they would

2664
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,520
have the stick and

2665
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:21,120
they would measure the water levels and

2666
01:31:26,070 --> 01:31:22,960
then judge fertility in the upcoming

2667
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,080
season based on low and high water marks

2668
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,400
have you run across

2669
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:30,400
there are two broad way sets of

2670
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:32,560
locations the temples are placed in it

2671
01:31:36,870 --> 01:31:34,719
it really varies from from cultural

2672
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:36,880
tradition to cultural tradition um in

2673
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:39,520
egypt and in india temples were all the

2674
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:40,639
the religion

2675
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:41,840
in egypt

2676
01:31:46,629 --> 01:31:44,000
clarified but most of all hindu temples

2677
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:46,639
and the great majority of um

2678
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,280
of egyptian temples were built

2679
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,360
sufficiently in low places sufficiently

2680
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:53,199
low lying they could dig a trench down

2681
01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:55,120
and hit water

2682
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:56,800
and there's actually there are there are

2683
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:58,719
important symbolic reasons for that but

2684
01:32:02,070 --> 01:31:59,920
maybe there may be some other things

2685
01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:02,080
going on in other places especially

2686
01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:04,159
greece and then of course the temple of

2687
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:06,000
solomon was on a high place and some

2688
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:09,040
others also instead you have the temple

2689
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:12,400
up on a raised section of ground

2690
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:14,560
you're well above the ground um

2691
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:16,080
and then you have other places such as

2692
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,679
japan and medieval europe where you have

2693
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:19,440
some of each

2694
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:20,960
so

2695
01:32:26,870 --> 01:32:24,400
the there may be several different

2696
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:26,880
modes of working with technology there

2697
01:32:29,750 --> 01:32:28,159
may be you know

2698
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,760
if you need to worry about your ground

2699
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,239
water yes you may well build your temple

2700
01:32:35,510 --> 01:32:34,159
low and make sure you have a water

2701
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:35,520
measure in the basement because that's

2702
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:37,040
one of the ways you track what you're

2703
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:38,719
going to be doing for you know with this

2704
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,400
year's agriculture i heard they kept

2705
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:42,080
that part secret so that they would know

2706
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:43,280
whether

2707
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:46,719
they should store more grain or uh

2708
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:48,560
whether they should hoard the green or

2709
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:50,560
those types of decisions which goes to

2710
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:52,560
the the idea of uh some people have

2711
01:32:56,790 --> 01:32:54,080
stated that the pyramids could

2712
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:56,800
potentially have been uh uses usages for

2713
01:33:00,870 --> 01:32:59,600
storage of grain during times of of uh

2714
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,880
you know great

2715
01:33:03,830 --> 01:33:02,159
great upheaval i thought they were

2716
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:03,840
leveraging the covenant filled with

2717
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,840
monoatomic gold to influence the entire

2718
01:33:11,669 --> 01:33:07,520
water system of the nile oh god there

2719
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:12,390
but

2720
01:33:18,870 --> 01:33:16,480
many different ways of doing the thing

2721
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,880
now you mentioned secrecy though and

2722
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:20,480
this is this is another major difference

2723
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:21,760
between difference between the way

2724
01:33:26,470 --> 01:33:23,360
people tend to think in ancient times in

2725
01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:26,480
the way we think now um nowadays

2726
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,719
we tend to think that knowledge ought to

2727
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:30,800
be available to everybody you know it's

2728
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:33,440
it's we we have everything the this for

2729
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:36,719
dummies that for the complete idiot um

2730
01:33:40,149 --> 01:33:38,239
if you were the green merchant you'd be

2731
01:33:41,830 --> 01:33:40,159
pretty tight with the priests with the

2732
01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:41,840
exactly the water stick in the bottom of

2733
01:33:46,229 --> 01:33:43,920
the temple well in in many places in

2734
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:46,239
egypt for example um the temples were

2735
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,800
the grain silos

2736
01:33:52,709 --> 01:33:50,960
so it was you know it was real close

2737
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:52,719
there but

2738
01:33:58,149 --> 01:33:56,080
secrecy was to to the ancient to most

2739
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:58,159
ancient cultures knowledge was meant to

2740
01:34:01,990 --> 01:33:59,440
be secret

2741
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:02,000
you did not pass around knowledge um you

2742
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:04,080
know readily you did not give it out

2743
01:34:07,590 --> 01:34:06,080
that would be that was just

2744
01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:07,600
what an appalling what an appallingly

2745
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:09,040
bad idea of course you didn't do

2746
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:11,600
anything of a kind and so every kind of

2747
01:34:16,149 --> 01:34:13,760
trade secret every kind of

2748
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:16,159
um of course religious teachings all of

2749
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:18,480
these things were passed on under oaths

2750
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:19,840
of secrecy

2751
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:21,920
um not unlike the the pledges that each

2752
01:34:26,709 --> 01:34:23,920
of us takes as a freemason which in fact

2753
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:26,719
descend from the pledges that um

2754
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,960
that were taken by operative masons to

2755
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:30,400
say you know

2756
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,920
no i'm not going to pass on our trade

2757
01:34:34,629 --> 01:34:33,040
secrets

2758
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:34,639
we're still missing the acoustics and

2759
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:37,120
the megalithic block moving yeah yeah

2760
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,880
that's a bit yeah you know we we're not

2761
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,239
going to let anyone know else know how

2762
01:34:43,030 --> 01:34:42,159
we do that um

2763
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:43,040
and

2764
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:46,320
that

2765
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,639
knowledge was secret and you had to earn

2766
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,480
access to it it was not a matter of

2767
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:54,480
picking up megalithic block moving for

2768
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:56,159
dummies

2769
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,440
megalithic blocks they might squish

2770
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:01,199
people can i grab that as a book title

2771
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,600
for myself yes don't don't don't squish

2772
01:35:07,110 --> 01:35:06,000
yourself between these blocks

2773
01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:07,120
yeah don't squish

2774
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:09,920
yeah there we go it's black

2775
01:35:15,590 --> 01:35:12,719
and so so yeah um

2776
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,600
so secrecy is

2777
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,360
it was just was just second nature back

2778
01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:19,440
in ancient times and

2779
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:20,880
that that always needs to be kept in

2780
01:35:24,229 --> 01:35:22,880
mind when we're looking at well you know

2781
01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:24,239
how come there's no written trace of

2782
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,520
this well that's because people didn't

2783
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:27,040
write it down

2784
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:31,280
um there was a person who um wrote down

2785
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:33,600
the ritual the the you know did a

2786
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,880
disclosure of the rituals of the

2787
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:36,239
hallucinating mysteries his name was

2788
01:35:39,750 --> 01:35:38,320
diagorus he was called dagger as the

2789
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:39,760
godless

2790
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:41,280
and um

2791
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:45,199
he i'd he he didn't live very long and

2792
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:47,360
the copies of his work did not survive

2793
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:48,159
him

2794
01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:49,840
easy for us to complain but when was the

2795
01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:53,679
last time you made a copper scroll

2796
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,239
you know like

2797
01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:57,840
for your great great great great great

2798
01:36:01,350 --> 01:36:00,480
grandchildren to discover

2799
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,360
yeah

2800
01:36:04,790 --> 01:36:03,280
and so so so that's something that's

2801
01:36:06,470 --> 01:36:04,800
something we need to keep in mind but of

2802
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:06,480
course the other the flip side of that

2803
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:08,480
is that secrets can get lost

2804
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:10,080
and one of the things that i actually

2805
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:11,600
talk about at some length in the book

2806
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:12,960
and one of the things that i think has

2807
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:16,560
not been sufficiently kept in mind

2808
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:18,480
is that it's part of our masonic

2809
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:21,040
tradition that our most important secret

2810
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,040
is lost we do not have the true word we

2811
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:27,280
have a substitute word we do not have

2812
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:28,800
the true secrets of masterminds and we

2813
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,199
have substitute secrets

2814
01:36:34,310 --> 01:36:33,360
and

2815
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,320
my

2816
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:36,000
the theory that i that i argue in the

2817
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:39,360
book is that the people who put together

2818
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:40,719
freemasonry

2819
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:43,360
on its as a speculative as a speculative

2820
01:36:46,709 --> 01:36:44,800
order in

2821
01:36:49,590 --> 01:36:46,719
the early 18th century

2822
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,600
were aware that there was a great secret

2823
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:52,159
there was something really important

2824
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:53,920
that had been passed on

2825
01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:55,920
by the operative masons back in the day

2826
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:57,920
they did not have that anymore and the

2827
01:37:02,390 --> 01:37:00,239
reason they they invented the master

2828
01:37:04,629 --> 01:37:02,400
mason degree and that they have this

2829
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:04,639
this idea that you know every mason is

2830
01:37:09,750 --> 01:37:08,080
pledged to seek out the lost word

2831
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:09,760
what's precisely with their idea was we

2832
01:37:12,709 --> 01:37:10,880
were going to hunt this puppy down we're

2833
01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:12,719
going to find out what it is

2834
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:13,760
and

2835
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,040
succeed well that's what surprised me

2836
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:21,440
it's like it here up here in the uh uh

2837
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:22,880
scottish right like you know we learned

2838
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:25,280
the quote-unquote lost word in the 14th

2839
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:26,159
degree and you're like sitting there

2840
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:28,560
going [\h__\h] we're halfway there that's it

2841
01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:30,719
then it's like no there's more man like

2842
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:32,000
you get yeah

2843
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:33,760
is it scottish right down here there are

2844
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:36,400
three different lost words

2845
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,080
there's one in the 14th one in the 18th

2846
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,040
and one in the 32nd yeah and you know

2847
01:37:45,910 --> 01:37:43,679
yeah and so and then there you go you

2848
01:37:47,669 --> 01:37:45,920
yeah there are some if you get some of

2849
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:47,679
the more obscure um

2850
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:49,040
side degrees and some of the things that

2851
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:51,040
have gone veering off from freemasonry

2852
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:52,480
you'll find yet others there's i mean

2853
01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:53,760
there's probably enough lost words out

2854
01:37:58,950 --> 01:37:57,199
there to fill a small dictionary um

2855
01:38:02,310 --> 01:37:58,960
webster's lost dictionary

2856
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,320
webster's lost i like 32nd edition

2857
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:04,560
why don't we decipher a 15th century

2858
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:06,719
image in the clouds while we're at it

2859
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:08,159
i see a dinosaur

2860
01:38:12,149 --> 01:38:10,480
if we're looking for something fleeting

2861
01:38:14,709 --> 01:38:12,159
there's a bonfire with a witch attached

2862
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:14,719
to it and there we go there's jesus in

2863
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,719
my toast and yeah i think that that's

2864
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,480
good for the 15th century

2865
01:38:24,950 --> 01:38:20,560
there we go yeah um

2866
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:24,960
but yeah so but the the idea that

2867
01:38:27,750 --> 01:38:26,480
that we don't

2868
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:27,760
have

2869
01:38:31,350 --> 01:38:29,360
the secret that the lost word remains

2870
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:31,360
lost that it needs that you know we need

2871
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,800
to hunt it down

2872
01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:34,159
that was one of the things that that's

2873
01:38:36,790 --> 01:38:36,080
one of the things that has really struck

2874
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:36,800
me

2875
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,080
these attempts to say well no no this is

2876
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,119
the lost world no this is you know the

2877
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,360
um

2878
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:46,880
at the risk of offending anybody who

2879
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:48,639
doesn't like monty python i've been

2880
01:38:53,669 --> 01:38:52,480
tempted as this the true lost word is me

2881
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,679
you know i was just thinking that i'm

2882
01:38:57,990 --> 01:38:56,080
like well you know what the uh yeah that

2883
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,000
would be the 14th degree of that movie

2884
01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:00,000
and then the secrets of uh how to throw

2885
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:01,760
the the holy hand grenade of antioch

2886
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:03,280
that would be there we go yeah exactly

2887
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,400
notice it was only in the hands of the

2888
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:06,560
priests

2889
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,679
exactly

2890
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:09,119
just you know just make sure there's no

2891
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:20,390
oh no i've got friends who know the

2892
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:22,960
entire movie that but like by by heart

2893
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,320
my wife and i actually bonded over that

2894
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:26,000
move that's one of the one of the movies

2895
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:27,840
that her and i got together on

2896
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:29,920
i i'm delighted to hear that that's you

2897
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:32,400
know that was i i i knew most of it by

2898
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:33,679
heart at one point although it's been a

2899
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:34,480
while

2900
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:36,800
um

2901
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,719
but yeah going back to the knights of

2902
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,960
the temple and and the lost word i know

2903
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:42,400
there are some proponents and it's

2904
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,920
talked about within

2905
01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:45,920
the uh you know at length and whether

2906
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:47,600
it's allegorical or not

2907
01:39:51,510 --> 01:39:48,480
that

2908
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:51,520
the idea of the lost words being in the

2909
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:52,560
temple

2910
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,159
at some point and again it being kind of

2911
01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,960
anti-diluvian towards uh

2912
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:58,880
you know going back to the the pillars

2913
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,719
of enoch

2914
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:02,320
like wouldn't that be more allegorical

2915
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:03,600
towards the

2916
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:05,760
lost secrets of the lost keys of

2917
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:08,400
freemasonry and you know the whole idea

2918
01:40:12,149 --> 01:40:10,159
of of our show is to kind of like figure

2919
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:12,159
out what the heck those secrets are kind

2920
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:13,520
of because no one's been able to find

2921
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:14,639
them everyone's like oh i know what the

2922
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:15,840
secret is

2923
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,880
and you know so yeah everyone everyone

2924
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:20,719
has everyone has their best guess yeah

2925
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:21,520
but

2926
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:23,760
here's here's a question of left field

2927
01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,679
if i may if you were going to build a

2928
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,920
temple today

2929
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:29,679
and uh threw all the tools in front of

2930
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,600
you what would be your order of

2931
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:33,520
operations having studied so many

2932
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:36,080
temples okay i would start by looking

2933
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:37,760
for a location

2934
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:40,320
that i i'd start if i had

2935
01:40:43,350 --> 01:40:41,840
you know i would need some some pretty

2936
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,360
serious funding to do this i would start

2937
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:45,679
by getting the necessary um

2938
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:48,480
instrumentation to find a site

2939
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,280
that had a fairly high amount of uh

2940
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:53,119
teloric electricity flowing through it

2941
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:55,920
there you want a um a conduction

2942
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,440
discontinuity under the ground which

2943
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:59,840
kind of channels the um

2944
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:01,199
the lyric electricity up toward the

2945
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:04,159
surface like an aquifer or something

2946
01:41:07,750 --> 01:41:05,679
there are various things that will do it

2947
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:07,760
um often it's actually often it's a it's

2948
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:09,679
a um

2949
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,920
an intrusion of rock or clay or

2950
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:13,520
something that isn't water that isn't

2951
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:15,520
permeable to water

2952
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:16,239
okay

2953
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:17,520
so there are various things but you can

2954
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:18,800
detect one of these things so i need to

2955
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,239
get the right site

2956
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:22,000
um i would then get

2957
01:41:26,709 --> 01:41:24,719
get some some brother masons out to well

2958
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:26,719
of course get to get the space clear get

2959
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:29,360
some brother masons out on um probably

2960
01:41:36,149 --> 01:41:33,920
dawn on the um spring equinox to kind of

2961
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:36,159
split the difference and align it

2962
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:37,840
properly

2963
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,000
i would lay this thing out

2964
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,320
using

2965
01:41:45,910 --> 01:41:44,239
one of the standard

2966
01:41:47,109 --> 01:41:45,920
systems of sacred geometry probably you

2967
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,119
know either the add quarter item of the

2968
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,119
art triangulum lay the thing out and

2969
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,960
make sure it was built of paramagnetic

2970
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:52,639
stone that's the detail we haven't

2971
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,719
gotten to yet but that's a factor

2972
01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:56,320
um

2973
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:57,760
basically construct the whole thing

2974
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,679
properly um have it you know do all the

2975
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:03,440
appropriate rituals at the laying of the

2976
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,000
cornerstone and everything

2977
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:08,560
and get the thing in place and then

2978
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:09,760
um

2979
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:11,679
start doing

2980
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,119
appropriate ceremonies inside and see

2981
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,280
what results you get i would you know

2982
01:42:21,270 --> 01:42:19,360
put the thing in the middle of um

2983
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:21,280
set up a set of garden beds all around

2984
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:22,000
it

2985
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:27,679
have a green belt around them i'd do the

2986
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:29,280
same thing with your trees or garden bed

2987
01:42:33,910 --> 01:42:31,360
or something like that and just start

2988
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:33,920
experimenting with the with with the

2989
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:37,040
thing and see whether growth close by

2990
01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:38,719
was

2991
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:42,560
significantly amplified over say another

2992
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:44,239
garden in a similar location five miles

2993
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:45,119
away

2994
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:48,960
uh are you familiar with ross hamilton

2995
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,440
does it ring a bell uh ross hamilton he

2996
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,119
he's done a lot of work with the star

2997
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:55,920
mounds and serpent mounds in ohio okay

2998
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:57,199
yeah you mentioned yeah you mentioned

2999
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,119
him but before the before we started we

3000
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,119
went on the air yeah we he was uh we

3001
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,960
featured him in episode nine it was a

3002
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,719
fair i thought it was a fantastic

3003
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:06,000
episode i had like half a bottle of

3004
01:43:09,189 --> 01:43:07,520
scotch for that one so i had a lot of

3005
01:43:10,950 --> 01:43:09,199
fun

3006
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:10,960
but he mentioned

3007
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,719
very like pretty much exactly what

3008
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:13,920
you're saying he did it from the north

3009
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:14,960
american

3010
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:19,040
like these these star mounds are built

3011
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:21,840
in specific areas specifically to uh you

3012
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:24,639
know promote growth in the area for

3013
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:25,920
agriculture

3014
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:28,960
uh and the idea of

3015
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,520
you know you had mentioned briefly on uh

3016
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,600
the certain stones that were built

3017
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:35,760
or that were that were used the serpent

3018
01:43:40,870 --> 01:43:39,360
mountain in ohio is actually built on a

3019
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:40,880
it's a kind of like a magnetic stone

3020
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:42,320
like it it could have been a meteor at

3021
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:43,679
one point or another

3022
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,600
uh but it's electromagnetic in nature

3023
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:47,280
and like compasses go wild near the

3024
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:50,080
thing apparently and that is that is so

3025
01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:52,719
common around megalithic sites yeah um

3026
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:54,320
there are there are standing stones in

3027
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,000
britain that will make compasses go at

3028
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:58,320
90 degrees from from the regular

3029
01:44:01,270 --> 01:43:59,280
there's

3030
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:01,280
yeah so go on and then i can then we can

3031
01:44:05,189 --> 01:44:03,360
talk about materials a bit so like that

3032
01:44:07,270 --> 01:44:05,199
was kind of the idea behind

3033
01:44:08,870 --> 01:44:07,280
this type of this particular megalithic

3034
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:08,880
site and how it was oriented to the

3035
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:11,600
stars and to draco and uh like we had an

3036
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:13,119
entire presentation on it and i i

3037
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:14,560
remember most of it

3038
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,760
like i remember the presentation don't

3039
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:19,199
remember in detail but that's that's

3040
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:25,350
but

3041
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:29,430
there's a lot that can be blamed

3042
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,229
and

3043
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,560
one of the interesting factors that we

3044
01:44:35,910 --> 01:44:34,320
learned about that particular site was

3045
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:35,920
that lightning strikes

3046
01:44:40,709 --> 01:44:39,440
to that site were attracted to it

3047
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,719
is it something that's common within a

3048
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,560
lot of the megalithic sites

3049
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:44,000
absolutely

3050
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:45,600
um

3051
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:47,440
strange weather effects actually that's

3052
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,480
something that that was something

3053
01:44:51,270 --> 01:44:50,000
associated with the temple with temple

3054
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:51,280
of solomon

3055
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:55,679
were certain according to the talmud

3056
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,679
there were certain nasty weather effects

3057
01:45:02,550 --> 01:44:59,520
that happened all the time once the

3058
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:02,560
temple was built those stopped while the

3059
01:45:05,990 --> 01:45:04,080
temple stood

3060
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:06,000
they used to get south winds the brought

3061
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,960
rain

3062
01:45:11,189 --> 01:45:08,800
when the temple was destroyed those

3063
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,199
stopped

3064
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,119
so there the idea that possibly

3065
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:15,360
something is going on here is charging

3066
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:16,880
the atmosphere

3067
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:18,239
with electrical charges which can

3068
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:20,000
strongly influence weather and lightning

3069
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:21,280
strikes and things like that that's

3070
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:23,119
another factor megalithic sites

3071
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:24,560
generally have all kinds of strange

3072
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:25,760
effects

3073
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:27,199
with regard to weather with thunder and

3074
01:45:31,510 --> 01:45:29,600
lightning in particular it is a it is a

3075
01:45:34,390 --> 01:45:31,520
tradition and apparently fairly well

3076
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:34,400
documented one in britain you do not dig

3077
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:35,520
up

3078
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:36,719
a mound

3079
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:38,880
one of the old megalithic barrows

3080
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,639
if you do there will be a thunderstorm

3081
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,560
and how does this relate to like i'm not

3082
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:46,639
sure how much you're known for

3083
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:50,080
researching uh like pacific uh cultures

3084
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:52,320
but this would be very similar to uh nan

3085
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:53,280
madol

3086
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:56,960
essentially built like a

3087
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,400
somewhere in polynesia

3088
01:46:02,470 --> 01:46:00,159
um and

3089
01:46:03,910 --> 01:46:02,480
essentially it was built of basalt

3090
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:03,920
uh which has a lot of iron in it because

3091
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:05,600
it's it's essentially a rock you know

3092
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:07,840
from the earth from from from volcanoes

3093
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:10,159
yeah it's it's cool it's lava it's a lot

3094
01:46:13,510 --> 01:46:12,080
of it cooled in the air yeah and nan

3095
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:13,520
madol and a lot of the structures that

3096
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,560
around there and again we're probably

3097
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:16,320
going to go into the idea of moo when it

3098
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:19,440
comes to this or or uh i forget the

3099
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:21,199
other name for it to help me out here

3100
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:22,880
lemurian thank you

3101
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:24,320
lemuria is further south and further

3102
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:25,920
west but we can get to that we were

3103
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,520
chatting the other day about uh oh we

3104
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:28,960
have no time limit we can go with edward

3105
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:30,960
leeds scallion in the coral castle then

3106
01:46:34,629 --> 01:46:32,159
in florida

3107
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:34,639
i imagine you're familiar with that

3108
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:36,080
yeah somewhat familiar it's been a while

3109
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:37,760
since i've done but i read about that in

3110
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,920
the day yeah so you know how he how he

3111
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:41,600
was moving those blocks of stone remains

3112
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:43,520
something that they're the boss of coral

3113
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:45,119
um something that i think nobody has yet

3114
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:47,360
figured out the magnetic flywheel and

3115
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:48,080
the

3116
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:55,199
but

3117
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:56,239
well yeah

3118
01:46:59,350 --> 01:46:57,760
you know i come up with the guests he

3119
01:47:02,310 --> 01:46:59,360
comes up with the excursions

3120
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,320
uh with regards to emma doll the idea

3121
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,480
was that that particular site was built

3122
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,159
and a few others were built around it

3123
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:08,480
particularly to um

3124
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:10,960
uh to protect what was at the time

3125
01:47:15,510 --> 01:47:14,320
sunderland which was uh the um

3126
01:47:18,149 --> 01:47:15,520
indonesian

3127
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:18,159
uh uh archipelago which you know was

3128
01:47:22,950 --> 01:47:20,480
above water at the time before the last

3129
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:22,960
ice age from hurricanes

3130
01:47:28,149 --> 01:47:25,440
and when that culture that was there was

3131
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:28,159
lost or went under or what have you

3132
01:47:32,550 --> 01:47:30,159
um you know all those other sites that

3133
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:32,560
around there uh you know were

3134
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:34,719
essentially left unprotected and it was

3135
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:37,440
all to protect the food baskets within

3136
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:40,080
that particular archipelago

3137
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:41,760
which was again was above above ground

3138
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:43,840
that were growing rice

3139
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,679
to make sure they had calm you know calm

3140
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,800
seasons

3141
01:47:49,910 --> 01:47:48,400
yeah now

3142
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:49,920
sunderland is an interesting point

3143
01:47:54,229 --> 01:47:51,280
because this is this is one of those

3144
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,239
bits where um people will tend to put

3145
01:47:57,990 --> 01:47:56,480
down the the various occult traditions

3146
01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:58,000
and so on okay

3147
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:58,880
um

3148
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:00,960
lemuria

3149
01:48:04,149 --> 01:48:02,639
when it's first when it first shows up

3150
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:04,159
in occult literature in the writings of

3151
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:05,920
helena petrovna blavatsky back in the

3152
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:08,480
19th century

3153
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:10,239
she was saying there is there is a lost

3154
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:11,920
continent that went under before

3155
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:14,480
atlantis went under and it is located

3156
01:48:17,669 --> 01:48:16,719
somewhere around the sort of interface

3157
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:17,679
between

3158
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,679
the far southwestern pacific and the

3159
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:21,840
indian ocean okay where sunderland is in

3160
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,360
fact and at this point it's the research

3161
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:27,360
has been done and it's been determined

3162
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:29,679
the yeah the entire there was this

3163
01:48:33,350 --> 01:48:31,520
entire continent the size of india or

3164
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:33,360
subcontinent the size of india

3165
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:35,280
okay that was above water at that time

3166
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:36,400
nowadays all

3167
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:38,800
what it was which it would yeah this is

3168
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:41,280
filed under ancient or channeled human

3169
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:42,480
history

3170
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:44,159
exactly there was there was a vast

3171
01:48:47,189 --> 01:48:45,840
amount there it was as far as they as

3172
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:47,199
far as they can tell it was inhabited it

3173
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,560
was probably the place where rice was

3174
01:48:51,510 --> 01:48:50,080
first domesticated

3175
01:48:56,870 --> 01:48:51,520
and

3176
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:56,880
the philippines uh celebi's borneo

3177
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:58,080
places like this which were the

3178
01:49:01,750 --> 01:48:59,600
mountains

3179
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,760
back before the waters rose as the as

3180
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:03,760
the great ice sheets melted

3181
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:04,800
um

3182
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:07,280
now if plato was right about the time of

3183
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:08,480
atlantis

3184
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:11,280
it went under around 9 600 bc

3185
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:13,600
meaning about the end of the

3186
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:16,480
younger dryas cold snap when sea level

3187
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:18,960
jumped very sharply sunderland went

3188
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,520
under around 14000 bc so it was before

3189
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:23,280
it was drowned before

3190
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:24,800
the notion of the notional time of the

3191
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:26,639
drowning of atlantis and there again you

3192
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,840
have blavatsky saying well there was

3193
01:49:32,709 --> 01:49:29,840
lamoria here and it drowned before

3194
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,719
atlantis sank

3195
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:34,400
it really does sound as though some

3196
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:36,159
accurate information got

3197
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,320
passed along there somehow and some

3198
01:49:42,390 --> 01:49:40,560
people would would be able to say that

3199
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:42,400
the two were connected whether it was

3200
01:49:47,590 --> 01:49:45,199
uh you know a common uh you know like a

3201
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:47,600
a common theme or uh like a common

3202
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,880
civilization

3203
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:50,560
and you know if you look at easter

3204
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:52,960
island where you have the uh moai

3205
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:57,040
statues uh shout out to cry america um

3206
01:50:00,149 --> 01:49:58,639
well yeah their their whole logo and i

3207
01:50:02,149 --> 01:50:00,159
know darren and graham were you know

3208
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:02,159
we're pretty good friends but and it's

3209
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:04,000
just good i've i've been on no i i don't

3210
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:04,719
know

3211
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:05,760
i've listened to that episode was

3212
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,800
fantastic

3213
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:07,760
uh

3214
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,480
the idea of the moe statues being

3215
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:12,320
a below like below ground once you dig

3216
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:13,679
down far enough

3217
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:14,960
and the ones that are made of basalt

3218
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,719
specifically were from a region that is

3219
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:18,480
currently underwater and the last it was

3220
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:19,840
above water was twelve thirteen thousand

3221
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:22,080
years ago and all those malwa statues

3222
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:23,600
from fourteen thousand years ago or 12

3223
01:50:27,590 --> 01:50:24,960
thousand years ago and again that goes

3224
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:27,600
back to robert shock figuring this out

3225
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:29,760
they have the idea of the hands which

3226
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,920
have been wrapped around the navel and

3227
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:33,360
that is the same

3228
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:35,920
the same imagery which is found at

3229
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:38,560
gobekli tepe in turkey which is again

3230
01:50:41,189 --> 01:50:39,920
thirteen four like fourteen thousand

3231
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:41,199
years ago and ten thousand years ago it

3232
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:43,520
was deliberately buried

3233
01:50:47,030 --> 01:50:46,080
so again that is the idea of volcano

3234
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:47,040
you're finding

3235
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:50,000
two vastly different areas of the planet

3236
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:52,159
with the exact same imagery i'm in

3237
01:50:55,830 --> 01:50:54,080
advertising and marketing and branding

3238
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:55,840
is my specifically

3239
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,719
my my area of focus and which leads to

3240
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,639
the whole idea of my symbolism research

3241
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:02,400
with freemasonry

3242
01:51:07,590 --> 01:51:05,360
if you have an exact same the the exact

3243
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:07,600
same designs uh specific like that

3244
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:09,280
you've seen in one area to another and

3245
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,199
it's it's like not even a theme but the

3246
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:12,960
exact same thing they're connected

3247
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:14,880
there's knowing hell that is not

3248
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:16,239
connected because

3249
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:18,960
that same that that same um

3250
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:21,119
uh the concept is used today to brand

3251
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:23,280
mcdonald's to brand starbucks you know

3252
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:24,400
you got a starbucks cup you know what's

3253
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:27,199
from starbucks uh so it's for anybody

3254
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:28,320
who says and especially with

3255
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,520
archaeologists who are like saying like

3256
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,360
oh there's no correlation i'm like

3257
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:33,840
dude like do do you know your [\h__\h] or

3258
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,679
are you completely

3259
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,599
like what what the hell excuse my

3260
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:39,280
language well

3261
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,719
not aggravated

3262
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:42,639
i remember i get this i remember the

3263
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:45,360
comments why did they bury those things

3264
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:46,880
it was the first iteration of the

3265
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:54,229
that's funny um

3266
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,520
with regard to easter island though

3267
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:57,599
you're familiar with the the several

3268
01:52:01,830 --> 01:51:59,760
wooden boards with writing on them that

3269
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:01,840
have been discovered there and are you

3270
01:52:05,189 --> 01:52:03,520
aware that that a script that's

3271
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:05,199
apparently identical is known from

3272
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:07,360
another location no i no actually no i'm

3273
01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:09,119
not please do describe that this was

3274
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,800
worth looking into the indus valley

3275
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,199
civilization oh

3276
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:15,360
their script the letters or symbols

3277
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,840
whatever they are they look the same are

3278
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,119
you kidding me

3279
01:52:23,030 --> 01:52:21,520
compare them seriously uh you can find

3280
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:23,040
both of them online

3281
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,000
take a look check it out the similarity

3282
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,920
is stunning okay you know did you know

3283
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,599
laird scranton

3284
01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:30,960
or have you heard

3285
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:32,800
laird scranton he's he's a comparative

3286
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,280
cosmologist who compares egypt's

3287
01:52:40,709 --> 01:52:38,000
um uh like egypt symbolism and writing

3288
01:52:42,149 --> 01:52:40,719
to the dogon and and uses that to find

3289
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:42,159
correlation

3290
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:43,360
yeah this would be something right up

3291
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:44,400
his alley and i'm going to talk to him

3292
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,840
about this afterwards get you into i

3293
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:47,280
would i would say have him have him

3294
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:49,440
check it out it's just um this this was

3295
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:51,040
actually discussed many many years ago

3296
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:54,400
back in the 1970s when when um a lot of

3297
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:55,840
the last time that this kind of weird

3298
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:57,920
idea was widely in circulation and i was

3299
01:53:01,830 --> 01:53:00,719
i was into it up to my eyeballs as a kid

3300
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:01,840
um

3301
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:04,320
somebody somebody just one one of the

3302
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:06,960
many books in those times about um you

3303
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:09,840
know curiosities of unexplainable things

3304
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,719
in archaeology and so on

3305
01:53:16,950 --> 01:53:14,880
gave several photographs of the easter

3306
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,960
island wooden boards with writings on

3307
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:19,440
them and then showed a whole bunch of

3308
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:21,760
pictures of seals from

3309
01:53:25,830 --> 01:53:23,360
mohenjo-daro

3310
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:25,840
wow and it really does look like the

3311
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:28,080
same script well i'm actually like

3312
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:29,440
writing layered right now on facebook

3313
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:32,000
while we're talking about this

3314
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:33,920
so check them out i mean i'm not i am

3315
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:37,199
not an expert i'm not an expert in um

3316
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,880
you know in in paleography and ancient

3317
01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:41,199
systems of writing but certainly based

3318
01:53:44,310 --> 01:53:42,639
on everything that i could tell they

3319
01:53:46,390 --> 01:53:44,320
look like

3320
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:46,400
if not exactly the same then one is very

3321
01:53:49,589 --> 01:53:48,159
closely related to the other and you

3322
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:49,599
know

3323
01:53:51,750 --> 01:53:50,560
there could have been a couple there

3324
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:51,760
could be a few thousand years of

3325
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,080
difference you know scripts change a bit

3326
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:56,320
over time as well as over about half the

3327
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:57,679
earth's surface

3328
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:59,440
but yeah so

3329
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:00,800
you

3330
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:03,040
the the thing that i think most people

3331
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:03,920
that

3332
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:10,719
john michelle who was a great sacred

3333
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,239
geometer and a researcher in the legal

3334
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:14,239
lines of song who died a few years back

3335
01:54:18,149 --> 01:54:16,000
um absolutely brilliant man i wish i'd

3336
01:54:20,229 --> 01:54:18,159
had the chance to meet him um

3337
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,239
but he pointed out

3338
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,800
that the reason we don't see the

3339
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:24,639
remnants of

3340
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:27,520
of the ancient world

3341
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:28,960
is that we've lived in the middle of

3342
01:54:34,830 --> 01:54:30,719
them for so long

3343
01:54:38,790 --> 01:54:36,550
hmm

3344
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:38,800
that it's they're all they're spread out

3345
01:54:43,750 --> 01:54:41,360
all around us across the landscape

3346
01:54:45,189 --> 01:54:43,760
you know in terms of little oddities

3347
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:45,199
like the same script showing up in

3348
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:46,960
easter island in 100

3349
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:49,440
or you know the same the han the hand

3350
01:54:55,109 --> 01:54:51,119
around the navel thing position showing

3351
01:54:57,270 --> 01:54:55,119
up in eastern illinois tepe um the very

3352
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:57,280
very very closely related folklore

3353
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:58,800
around um

3354
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:01,199
linear landscape alignments in japan and

3355
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:04,000
britain on the opposite ends of eurasia

3356
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:05,440
and we just take these things for

3357
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:07,360
granted

3358
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:08,960
because we we we have never learned to

3359
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:10,560
step back and see the pattern that

3360
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,920
connects

3361
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:13,280
well i you know

3362
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:15,280
i maintain that uh after the age of

3363
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:17,440
information is the age of reconciliation

3364
01:55:21,350 --> 01:55:19,440
so that's the the plight of the modern

3365
01:55:24,229 --> 01:55:21,360
man is to reconcile all these

3366
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:24,239
cross-cultural references yeah yeah

3367
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:26,480
synthesize something out of it

3368
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:28,880
yeah exactly you know we've we've turned

3369
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:30,320
up all of this

3370
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:32,719
you know we all this information

3371
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:35,440
frankly more than more than any one mind

3372
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:37,920
can can handle

3373
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:41,040
and so we have a long period of

3374
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:43,040
synthesis you eat the elephant one day

3375
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:50,070
so that's why we do this together yeah

3376
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:51,679
that's good that's good now one thing

3377
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:53,280
i've heard from

3378
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,679
certain there was and again i'm digging

3379
01:56:00,070 --> 01:55:57,440
back here like way back into my early

3380
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,080
days of freemasonry in like 2011 i think

3381
01:56:03,510 --> 01:56:02,159
um i read this one

3382
01:56:05,830 --> 01:56:03,520
this one

3383
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:05,840
i'm gonna say like document or or it was

3384
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:08,400
a pdf written by a supposed 33rd degree

3385
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:10,480
freemason out of india

3386
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:13,360
um who does i'm not much of a proponent

3387
01:56:18,629 --> 01:56:16,639
of um like past life regression or

3388
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:18,639
remote viewing uh again i don't know one

3389
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:19,920
way or another but it's like yeah it's a

3390
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,080
possibility it's an interesting story

3391
01:56:27,189 --> 01:56:25,199
and the idea of a freemasonry being very

3392
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:27,199
very parallel again different symbolism

3393
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:28,719
different words were used as the

3394
01:56:32,229 --> 01:56:31,280
abrahamic religions weren't necessarily

3395
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,239
uh

3396
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:34,080
full-blown at that point

3397
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,840
but the document that was written

3398
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:37,760
essentially said that okay well you know

3399
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:40,080
in back in egyptian times

3400
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:42,880
freemasonry was still prevalent you know

3401
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:45,119
under different uh this it was the same

3402
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:46,960
ritual like the same basic floor work

3403
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:48,480
same same idea

3404
01:56:53,669 --> 01:56:51,520
but using egyptian symbolism uh versus

3405
01:56:55,109 --> 01:56:53,679
the talmudic symbolism or or old

3406
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:55,119
testament symbolism

3407
01:56:57,750 --> 01:56:56,480
and there were actually three branches

3408
01:56:59,589 --> 01:56:57,760
of freemasonry at that point to

3409
01:57:01,350 --> 01:56:59,599
correspond to the three different

3410
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:01,360
uh pillars you know

3411
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:03,599
the strength beauty and wisdom

3412
01:57:08,709 --> 01:57:06,800
and the one that actually survived the

3413
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:08,719
ancient times was wisdom which is the

3414
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:10,719
freemasonry style that we practiced

3415
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:13,440
today and that came from um egypt was

3416
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:16,400
transferred from egypt by roman soldiers

3417
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:17,119
to

3418
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:20,000
rome which then also became uh which

3419
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:20,880
kind of

3420
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:23,440
became mythicism to a certain extent and

3421
01:57:27,669 --> 01:57:25,280
then from there you know you still had

3422
01:57:29,350 --> 01:57:27,679
the idea of okay well once christianity

3423
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:29,360
became involved

3424
01:57:32,709 --> 01:57:30,960
you know it was lost for time then let's

3425
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:32,719
say you know uh

3426
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:34,800
you know you have the

3427
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:38,639
uh more scholarly individuals from the

3428
01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,960
medieval times who rediscovered it from

3429
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:42,239
their travels all around europe and all

3430
01:57:46,470 --> 01:57:44,480
around uh you know northern africa and

3431
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:46,480
asia building these temples

3432
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:48,560
and picked up on it and applied the

3433
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:51,199
abrahamic symbolism to it

3434
01:57:54,950 --> 01:57:53,520
so is this something that you've you've

3435
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:54,960
considered a thought about or have you

3436
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:56,639
even run into or am i like way off the

3437
01:58:00,550 --> 01:57:59,040
rabbit trail no it's it's it's that's

3438
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:00,560
been that suggestion has been made for a

3439
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:02,560
very long time um

3440
01:58:06,709 --> 01:58:05,360
let's see cw ledbeater has a has a book

3441
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:06,719
title i believe freemasonry of the

3442
01:58:10,390 --> 01:58:08,400
ancient egyptians

3443
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:10,400
and um

3444
01:58:14,149 --> 01:58:12,480
is it true heckle good question i would

3445
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:14,159
love to see i would love to see some

3446
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:16,000
evidence but

3447
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:17,440
unfortunately one of the one of the

3448
01:58:20,790 --> 01:58:18,960
things that has kind of garbled the

3449
01:58:22,629 --> 01:58:20,800
trail a bit is that there was a while in

3450
01:58:26,390 --> 01:58:22,639
the 19th and early 20th centuries where

3451
01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:26,400
freemasons were very very eager to find

3452
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:29,040
romantic origins for the craft a partly

3453
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:30,960
i have to say this was class prejudice

3454
01:58:35,430 --> 01:58:33,199
because in you know in victorian in the

3455
01:58:37,830 --> 01:58:35,440
victorian times it was not

3456
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:37,840
it was not nice to think of the craft as

3457
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:40,320
having started with a bunch of sweaty um

3458
01:58:44,550 --> 01:58:42,159
you know work men

3459
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:44,560
that was just very declassing and so you

3460
01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:46,639
had it was hugely popular to come up

3461
01:58:55,350 --> 01:58:53,589
exactly exactly way too proletarian

3462
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:55,360
um actually that i mean you get that in

3463
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:58,000
the 18th century too um just this this

3464
01:59:02,310 --> 01:58:59,440
frantic attempt to come up with a

3465
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:02,320
suitably suitably noble dramatic origin

3466
01:59:05,669 --> 01:59:04,320
um ambrose beerus in the devil the

3467
01:59:08,229 --> 01:59:05,679
devil's dictionary

3468
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:08,239
um talks about um he has a definition of

3469
01:59:12,870 --> 01:59:10,560
freemasonry you know it's a this craft

3470
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:12,880
this organization founded by unemployed

3471
01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:16,560
stone masons in the in the reign of um

3472
01:59:19,030 --> 01:59:18,000
george the first

3473
01:59:20,390 --> 01:59:19,040
um

3474
01:59:23,030 --> 01:59:20,400
they had something when they weren't

3475
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:23,040
working right now so who subsequently

3476
01:59:26,950 --> 01:59:25,679
recruited members back further through

3477
01:59:28,629 --> 01:59:26,960
time

3478
01:59:29,990 --> 01:59:28,639
until at this point it had it includes

3479
01:59:31,990 --> 01:59:30,000
everybody this side of adam and it's

3480
01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:32,000
busy drumming up um you know uh

3481
01:59:35,430 --> 01:59:33,280
distinguished recruits among the

3482
01:59:38,790 --> 01:59:35,440
inhabitants of the pre-creational um

3483
01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:40,470
so you know this snake built the first

3484
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:42,320
temple out of the apple

3485
01:59:47,189 --> 01:59:45,840
and he bought it

3486
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:47,199
you're thinking you're very much along

3487
01:59:52,870 --> 01:59:50,560
the right lines um yeah you know

3488
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:52,880
there was

3489
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:54,639
and this it's the same kind of thing

3490
01:59:59,589 --> 01:59:57,280
that led to the um led to the creation

3491
02:00:01,830 --> 01:59:59,599
of the priory of zion with its um you

3492
02:00:04,629 --> 02:00:01,840
know it's its ancestry dating back

3493
02:00:07,830 --> 02:00:04,639
uh six weeks before the dawn of time

3494
02:00:10,870 --> 02:00:09,910
it was popular in those days

3495
02:00:11,990 --> 02:00:10,880
and

3496
02:00:13,430 --> 02:00:12,000
unfortunately there's a lot of

3497
02:00:14,950 --> 02:00:13,440
undergrowth that has to be pruned out of

3498
02:00:16,149 --> 02:00:14,960
the well from from that period as you

3499
02:00:17,990 --> 02:00:16,159
pruned out of the way and looked at and

3500
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:18,000
said okay what's the actual evidence

3501
02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:19,679
what do what do we know about the

3502
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:21,360
origins of freemasonry what do we know

3503
02:00:25,510 --> 02:00:23,760
about other organizations and traditions

3504
02:00:27,030 --> 02:00:25,520
that may have fed into it

3505
02:00:29,510 --> 02:00:27,040
we have these various pieces of

3506
02:00:32,310 --> 02:00:29,520
traditional lore that suggest that

3507
02:00:35,510 --> 02:00:32,320
um elements of ancient of very late

3508
02:00:37,589 --> 02:00:35,520
ancient tradition were absorbed into

3509
02:00:41,910 --> 02:00:37,599
christian esotericism by various by

3510
02:00:43,510 --> 02:00:41,920
various means we have the absorption of

3511
02:00:45,830 --> 02:00:43,520
neoplatonism

3512
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:45,840
and some and elements of the greek

3513
02:00:50,390 --> 02:00:48,480
mysteries which were absorbed into

3514
02:00:52,470 --> 02:00:50,400
into christian practice in certain ways

3515
02:00:53,750 --> 02:00:52,480
and are still in in the eastern orthodox

3516
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:53,760
church are still very much in prison

3517
02:00:57,189 --> 02:00:55,199
present for example

3518
02:00:57,990 --> 02:00:57,199
what could have gotten where

3519
02:01:02,229 --> 02:00:58,000
and

3520
02:01:03,510 --> 02:01:02,239
because so many people seem to kept

3521
02:01:05,589 --> 02:01:03,520
their mouths shut while they were doing

3522
02:01:07,109 --> 02:01:05,599
it

3523
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:07,119
would you believe

3524
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:10,560
that talking about freemasonry

3525
02:01:14,790 --> 02:01:12,880
that the lost secrets or the lost keys

3526
02:01:16,629 --> 02:01:14,800
or what whatever term that you know

3527
02:01:18,950 --> 02:01:16,639
certain brothers or brethren or

3528
02:01:21,669 --> 02:01:18,960
conspiracy theorists would want to uh

3529
02:01:23,109 --> 02:01:21,679
divulge or you know to you know attach

3530
02:01:24,870 --> 02:01:23,119
it to

3531
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:24,880
do you think that it's something along

3532
02:01:29,030 --> 02:01:26,320
the lines of

3533
02:01:32,229 --> 02:01:29,040
um you know restorative energy is it a

3534
02:01:33,589 --> 02:01:32,239
way of taking control of

3535
02:01:35,830 --> 02:01:33,599
you know the

3536
02:01:37,669 --> 02:01:35,840
powers that kind of make the universe

3537
02:01:38,950 --> 02:01:37,679
work or is it something a lot simpler

3538
02:01:40,390 --> 02:01:38,960
than that

3539
02:01:42,149 --> 02:01:40,400
well i think

3540
02:01:44,470 --> 02:01:42,159
it's it's certainly not about taking

3541
02:01:46,229 --> 02:01:44,480
control one of the things that this is

3542
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:46,239
this is our modern this is our modern

3543
02:01:50,310 --> 02:01:48,080
delusion the notion that

3544
02:01:52,310 --> 02:01:50,320
you know humanity is the conqueror of

3545
02:01:54,790 --> 02:01:52,320
nature man is the measure of all things

3546
02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:54,800
the pinnacle of creation what a bunch of

3547
02:01:57,910 --> 02:01:56,719
pompous crap

3548
02:02:00,310 --> 02:01:57,920
okay

3549
02:02:01,990 --> 02:02:00,320
um the universe was not created for man

3550
02:02:03,510 --> 02:02:02,000
the universe was not created for men and

3551
02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:03,520
we almost got you to swear again too we

3552
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:08,229
um we're here

3553
02:02:11,830 --> 02:02:10,000
for whatever reason

3554
02:02:14,070 --> 02:02:11,840
whether we happen to be here whether you

3555
02:02:15,750 --> 02:02:14,080
know um if if you if you're a religious

3556
02:02:18,550 --> 02:02:15,760
person didn't believe we were created so

3557
02:02:20,470 --> 02:02:18,560
was everything else i mean so we're

3558
02:02:21,669 --> 02:02:20,480
so we're skunk cabbages everything was

3559
02:02:23,189 --> 02:02:21,679
created and everything was created with

3560
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:23,199
a purpose and a place

3561
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:25,599
and when we put on heirs and start

3562
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:27,840
insisting that we are the we are the big

3563
02:02:30,790 --> 02:02:29,520
cheese of the cosmos we're just being

3564
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:30,800
stupid

3565
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:33,679
and so it may be

3566
02:02:38,709 --> 02:02:35,920
that the lost word that the lost keys of

3567
02:02:41,430 --> 02:02:38,719
freemasonry has to do with some mode of

3568
02:02:44,070 --> 02:02:41,440
participation

3569
02:02:46,229 --> 02:02:44,080
in the energies that bring that create

3570
02:02:48,070 --> 02:02:46,239
and sustain the cosmos not control over

3571
02:02:49,030 --> 02:02:48,080
them participating in them it may be

3572
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:49,040
that it's something else something

3573
02:02:52,229 --> 02:02:50,480
simple or something more confident we

3574
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:52,239
simply don't know

3575
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:55,360
and half the fun to me is realizing that

3576
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:56,239
we are

3577
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:58,639
you know as as we as we as so many other

3578
02:03:02,470 --> 02:03:00,480
masons have done as we seek the lost

3579
02:03:04,390 --> 02:03:02,480
word as we try to find the law the true

3580
02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:04,400
secrets of master mason

3581
02:03:08,229 --> 02:03:06,480
um

3582
02:03:10,629 --> 02:03:08,239
we're really comprehensively in the dark

3583
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:10,639
we have no idea

3584
02:03:16,149 --> 02:03:12,840
what we might

3585
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:16,159
find i've offered my my hypothesis as to

3586
02:03:19,750 --> 02:03:18,000
what the what the

3587
02:03:20,550 --> 02:03:19,760
true secrets of masturbation might have

3588
02:03:25,669 --> 02:03:20,560
been

3589
02:03:27,189 --> 02:03:25,679
temple technology that was used to bring

3590
02:03:28,629 --> 02:03:27,199
bring abundance and fertility to the

3591
02:03:29,830 --> 02:03:28,639
ancient societies

3592
02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:29,840
um

3593
02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:31,520
do i know for a fact that's the case no

3594
02:03:35,510 --> 02:03:34,000
i don't as i say it's a hypothesis

3595
02:03:38,070 --> 02:03:35,520
it's my best to guess based on the

3596
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:38,080
information that i've gathered and

3597
02:03:42,310 --> 02:03:40,320
if it turns out to be true i will be i i

3598
02:03:43,910 --> 02:03:42,320
will be delighted and then it'd be

3599
02:03:46,149 --> 02:03:43,920
really interesting to see that put back

3600
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:46,159
to work um if it turns out to be

3601
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:48,159
something else it'll be wow i didn't

3602
02:03:52,149 --> 02:03:49,679
expect that

3603
02:03:54,470 --> 02:03:52,159
so what's not to love

3604
02:03:56,470 --> 02:03:54,480
and do you think that the uh you know

3605
02:03:58,070 --> 02:03:56,480
like the knights templar do you think

3606
02:04:00,229 --> 02:03:58,080
that they kind of

3607
02:04:01,830 --> 02:04:00,239
rediscovered this uh this type of

3608
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:01,840
technology

3609
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:03,440
that's you see that's that's one of the

3610
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:05,199
basic elements of my of my thesis that

3611
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:07,280
the knights templar

3612
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:09,679
in some way by some connection

3613
02:04:13,589 --> 02:04:11,199
in the holy land

3614
02:04:15,030 --> 02:04:13,599
learned about this technology now one of

3615
02:04:17,830 --> 02:04:15,040
the things to remember about the middle

3616
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:17,840
east then as now is it is full of little

3617
02:04:21,109 --> 02:04:19,440
obscure religious groups

3618
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:21,119
that have their own secret traditions

3619
02:04:23,189 --> 02:04:22,239
that they generally don't talk about

3620
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:23,199
much

3621
02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:24,960
for very good reason i mean whoever

3622
02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:26,480
whoever owns them whoever's on the

3623
02:04:29,910 --> 02:04:28,159
middle east since

3624
02:04:34,390 --> 02:04:29,920
um

3625
02:04:36,070 --> 02:04:34,400
the christianization of the roman empire

3626
02:04:37,830 --> 02:04:36,080
whoever's on the middle east they've had

3627
02:04:39,589 --> 02:04:37,840
their religion and you had better not

3628
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:39,599
argue with it or they will you know put

3629
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:41,199
you to death and that's been true of

3630
02:04:44,790 --> 02:04:42,639
christians it's true muslims have been

3631
02:04:45,910 --> 02:04:44,800
true of everybody and so yeah you have a

3632
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:45,920
lot of these little groups you have the

3633
02:04:49,589 --> 02:04:47,760
mandiands you have you have the sabians

3634
02:04:51,910 --> 02:04:49,599
you have all of these and they all have

3635
02:04:53,350 --> 02:04:51,920
their own little traditions my thesis is

3636
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:53,360
that

3637
02:04:57,510 --> 02:04:55,440
based on some elements in the grail

3638
02:04:59,189 --> 02:04:57,520
legends and some elements in what we

3639
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:59,199
know of the knights templar is that the

3640
02:05:03,270 --> 02:05:01,360
templars ended up in contact with a

3641
02:05:13,070 --> 02:05:03,280
group a group descended from one of the

3642
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:17,109
[Music]

3643
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:19,350
not the gnostics who believed that uh

3644
02:05:22,950 --> 02:05:21,360
you know the god is some evil entity

3645
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:22,960
that is here yes yes

3646
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:25,199
exactly yeah okay exactly not not not

3647
02:05:28,070 --> 02:05:26,480
the gnostics who believe that the world

3648
02:05:29,350 --> 02:05:28,080
was the creation of the devil and we're

3649
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:29,360
all trapped here and have to find the

3650
02:05:33,830 --> 02:05:30,560
escape hatch

3651
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:33,840
no the nazis if if you have a chance um

3652
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:36,159
jesse weston's book

3653
02:05:39,910 --> 02:05:38,159
from ritual to romance which is a study

3654
02:05:41,669 --> 02:05:39,920
the grail legend

3655
02:05:43,109 --> 02:05:41,679
and she argues that the group that one

3656
02:05:47,189 --> 02:05:43,119
of the things at the root of the grail

3657
02:05:48,310 --> 02:05:47,199
legend is a set of initiation rituals

3658
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:48,320
huh

3659
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:49,920
yeah that's pretty cool and

3660
02:05:54,390 --> 02:05:52,719
yeah and that these rituals probably

3661
02:05:56,790 --> 02:05:54,400
came out of

3662
02:05:58,310 --> 02:05:56,800
nazi narcissism

3663
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:58,320
and she provides she it's a really

3664
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:59,840
fascinating book

3665
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:01,840
and so that's that was one of the things

3666
02:06:05,030 --> 02:06:03,520
that i very very strongly relied on and

3667
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:05,040
here it's because she draws i think a

3668
02:06:09,030 --> 02:06:06,560
very strong very makes a very strong

3669
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:09,040
case but my take is that because the

3670
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:10,480
nazis believe they were the real

3671
02:06:14,470 --> 02:06:12,320
christians that they really understood

3672
02:06:16,870 --> 02:06:14,480
what jesus was about and so on but they

3673
02:06:19,030 --> 02:06:16,880
also had they had unlike so many

3674
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:19,040
christian groups they argued that the

3675
02:06:23,109 --> 02:06:20,320
old pagans

3676
02:06:24,070 --> 02:06:23,119
were also doing something valid

3677
02:06:25,830 --> 02:06:24,080
that

3678
02:06:27,510 --> 02:06:25,840
christianity was in it was something in

3679
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:27,520
addition to something that completed and

3680
02:06:31,270 --> 02:06:29,679
fulfilled paganism not that overthrew it

3681
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:31,280
so they were totally cool about the old

3682
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:37,430
and so the nazis had absorbed this so

3683
02:06:40,870 --> 02:06:38,880
the thesis was that there were some of

3684
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:40,880
these some of these folks still around

3685
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:42,320
in the holy land when the crusaders

3686
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:43,520
showed up

3687
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,400
and

3688
02:06:48,069 --> 02:06:46,800
that the templars ended up interacting

3689
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:48,079
with them and at least some of the

3690
02:06:51,830 --> 02:06:49,679
temples were going okay you're right

3691
02:06:53,189 --> 02:06:51,840
you've got a more you've got to a a true

3692
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:53,199
and deeper form of christianity than

3693
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:54,560
we're used to

3694
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:57,119
and that that was the templar secret

3695
02:07:02,229 --> 02:07:00,480
that they became sort of covert nazis

3696
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:02,239
and that in the process whether through

3697
02:07:04,950 --> 02:07:03,679
the nazis or through something else they

3698
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:04,960
also got a hold of the temple tradition

3699
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:06,320
and that's what they brought back to

3700
02:07:09,430 --> 02:07:07,840
europe

3701
02:07:12,310 --> 02:07:09,440
and that's what

3702
02:07:14,790 --> 02:07:12,320
scottish templars

3703
02:07:16,950 --> 02:07:14,800
immediately after the after the the

3704
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,960
dissolution of the templar order

3705
02:07:20,950 --> 02:07:19,040
um when some of the when you know some

3706
02:07:22,550 --> 02:07:20,960
scottish templars who had that who were

3707
02:07:24,390 --> 02:07:22,560
in who were into that got involved in

3708
02:07:27,189 --> 02:07:24,400
the building trades passed that on to

3709
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:27,199
early operative masons who passed it on

3710
02:07:31,350 --> 02:07:28,880
to the spec who passed on what they knew

3711
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:31,360
to the speculative masons but that's

3712
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:32,639
where the knowledge was that there was a

3713
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,760
secret

3714
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:35,280
well this also goes to the idea that

3715
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:37,440
there are scottish freedom like

3716
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:41,280
i think before the main um

3717
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:42,800
you know the grand lodge of the first

3718
02:07:46,229 --> 02:07:45,280
grand lodge of england was formed uh one

3719
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:46,239
of the

3720
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:47,920
original people who were who was there

3721
02:07:52,310 --> 02:07:49,440
at that meeting during during the

3722
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:52,320
forming uh originally had gone to

3723
02:07:56,149 --> 02:07:53,360
scotland

3724
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:56,159
in um in new england or in edinburgh if

3725
02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:58,159
i'm not mistaken yeah and he actually

3726
02:08:01,510 --> 02:07:59,840
came upon a

3727
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,520
scottish masonic lodge that had

3728
02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:03,440
basically like you know

3729
02:08:06,069 --> 02:08:04,810
very similar to what we were talking

3730
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:06,079
[Music]

3731
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:08,719
what we deal with right now today and

3732
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:10,320
was initiated into those mysteries and

3733
02:08:14,709 --> 02:08:12,480
then brought that back to uh to england

3734
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:14,719
oh yeah so no the the the scottish the

3735
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,040
scottish lodges um lodges in edinburgh

3736
02:08:22,229 --> 02:08:19,599
and several other ones actually go go

3737
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:22,239
back well before 1717 and in fact there

3738
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:23,760
are there are

3739
02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:25,760
let's see david stevenson's book um the

3740
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:27,840
history the origins freemasonry scotland

3741
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:29,040
century

3742
02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:30,719
talks about the the way that the

3743
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:33,119
transition from operative to speculative

3744
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:34,239
masonry

3745
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:38,000
basically happened in scotland

3746
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:40,800
and it was after that that yeah various

3747
02:08:45,750 --> 02:08:43,199
people were initiated into speculative

3748
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,760
masons in scotland and then gradually it

3749
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:47,280
permeated south and then you had the

3750
02:08:50,950 --> 02:08:48,960
four lodges in london

3751
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:50,960
um that met together and um and formed

3752
02:08:55,750 --> 02:08:52,560
the first grand lodge

3753
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:55,760
now have you heard of uh um uh tristan

3754
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:58,560
borlaug's um new movie terra masonica

3755
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:00,320
have you uh or no i haven't heard a

3756
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:02,400
thing about it okay well there's a movie

3757
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:04,320
uh coming out which all the freemasons

3758
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:06,159
here in ottawa are just going absolutely

3759
02:09:09,910 --> 02:09:08,239
ape [\h__\h] over and i love it

3760
02:09:11,589 --> 02:09:09,920
called terra masonica it's around the

3761
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:11,599
world in 80 lodges

3762
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:14,639
um and wow yeah it's being released in

3763
02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:16,000
february we actually have won the show

3764
02:09:19,270 --> 02:09:16,840
in two

3765
02:09:21,350 --> 02:09:19,280
weeks uh so

3766
02:09:23,189 --> 02:09:21,360
apparently like he goes through the 80

3767
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:23,199
lodges like uh like he goes to india he

3768
02:09:25,910 --> 02:09:25,119
goes to the southern united states

3769
02:09:30,629 --> 02:09:25,920
uh

3770
02:09:31,669 --> 02:09:30,639
a multiple award-winning photographer

3771
02:09:36,709 --> 02:09:31,679
and

3772
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:36,719
but he also uh produces one movie the

3773
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:37,920
solomon key

3774
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:39,360
or the scottish key rather which

3775
02:09:44,149 --> 02:09:42,000
essentially talks about the original

3776
02:09:46,229 --> 02:09:44,159
forming of the logi uh the lodges and he

3777
02:09:48,229 --> 02:09:46,239
goes into the entire oak you know the

3778
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:48,239
the entire uh concept of

3779
02:09:52,310 --> 02:09:50,719
okay well was it uh you know

3780
02:09:53,830 --> 02:09:52,320
people say that england was the first

3781
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:53,840
grand lodge and that's the origins of

3782
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:56,480
freemasonry in the 1700s but it's like

3783
02:09:59,510 --> 02:09:57,840
but there are these scottish lodges that

3784
02:10:02,870 --> 02:09:59,520
go back to the 1500s and then here's the

3785
02:10:03,830 --> 02:10:02,880
minutes yeah and you know exactly

3786
02:10:07,189 --> 02:10:03,840
so

3787
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:07,199
only 300 years old like in its current

3788
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:08,960
form as far as the united grand lodge of

3789
02:10:13,750 --> 02:10:10,880
england which i know was the american

3790
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:13,760
system before the 1800 like a mid-1800s

3791
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:15,679
before the uh i forget the name of the

3792
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:17,840
event but you know there's a massive

3793
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:20,560
masonic backlash there at that time

3794
02:10:25,030 --> 02:10:23,280
yeah the yeah yeah so uh

3795
02:10:28,229 --> 02:10:25,040
yeah yeah so that like you know the the

3796
02:10:29,910 --> 02:10:28,239
entire um you know the entire ritual in

3797
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:29,920
the u.s changed but it still contained

3798
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:31,440
the same symbolism

3799
02:10:34,709 --> 02:10:33,520
and that idea that you know freemasonry

3800
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:34,719
even though we say okay well you know

3801
02:10:38,229 --> 02:10:36,800
the united states in 300 years from now

3802
02:10:39,669 --> 02:10:38,239
people in the states will be like oh

3803
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:39,679
well free mainstream started here in the

3804
02:10:43,589 --> 02:10:41,360
united states and uh such and such a

3805
02:10:45,589 --> 02:10:43,599
date and you know there are there are

3806
02:10:46,390 --> 02:10:45,599
tales that it was in england

3807
02:10:48,629 --> 02:10:46,400
yeah

3808
02:10:50,470 --> 02:10:48,639
so like well

3809
02:10:53,109 --> 02:10:50,480
yeah the major difference the thing that

3810
02:10:55,109 --> 02:10:53,119
happened in 1717 that sets it apart was

3811
02:10:56,709 --> 02:10:55,119
the first grand lodge

3812
02:10:58,790 --> 02:10:56,719
now you'll notice the four lodges that

3813
02:11:00,709 --> 02:10:58,800
founded that ground lodge had been in

3814
02:11:05,109 --> 02:11:00,719
london according to the record design

3815
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:07,910
so freemasonry did not begin in 1770 the

3816
02:11:12,629 --> 02:11:10,159
only thing that began in 1717 was it was

3817
02:11:15,189 --> 02:11:12,639
the habit of having ground lodges

3818
02:11:16,950 --> 02:11:15,199
i figured if it started in 1717 then the

3819
02:11:19,350 --> 02:11:16,960
secret last word was derrera i'm not

3820
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:22,470
which is a heretical work that uh which

3821
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:32,950
that was that's the password of the

3822
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:35,520
fourth degree up in um

3823
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:43,910
i'm sure i'm sure our scottish brethren

3824
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:47,599
got uh got very thoroughly illuminated

3825
02:11:51,830 --> 02:11:49,920
well it's like that uh that

3826
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:51,840
that family guy episode and there's this

3827
02:11:55,109 --> 02:11:53,520
one skit where it's like

3828
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:55,119
this is like uh

3829
02:11:59,910 --> 02:11:57,599
peter's taking his uh his son

3830
02:12:01,910 --> 02:11:59,920
to uh you know this this uh their

3831
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:01,920
history of his family and like okay you

3832
02:12:05,270 --> 02:12:03,440
have to worry about your irish history

3833
02:12:07,430 --> 02:12:05,280
and it goes through like you know the

3834
02:12:09,430 --> 02:12:07,440
uh you know 1700s where you know like

3835
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:09,440
the tradition of catholic families

3836
02:12:12,550 --> 02:12:10,960
producing a lot of children and it's

3837
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:12,560
like okay well this is what we believe

3838
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:14,159
irish you know ireland was like in the

3839
02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:15,760
old times and it's like some futuristic

3840
02:12:19,830 --> 02:12:18,159
jetsons world until like you know it's a

3841
02:12:21,910 --> 02:12:19,840
bunch of scientists getting around it's

3842
02:12:23,669 --> 02:12:21,920
like like well we're we just found a way

3843
02:12:26,069 --> 02:12:23,679
to convert our entire population to

3844
02:12:27,510 --> 02:12:26,079
energy and it's like oh [\h__\h] sheamus

3845
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:27,520
just like discovered how to be able to

3846
02:12:30,069 --> 02:12:28,960
create this one drink he calls it

3847
02:12:31,669 --> 02:12:30,079
whiskey

3848
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:31,679
it's like the entire civilization

3849
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:37,750
that's funny

3850
02:12:51,990 --> 02:12:44,470
so

3851
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:53,270
you're telling me it's the entire

3852
02:12:57,669 --> 02:12:55,360
foundation of the show

3853
02:13:00,790 --> 02:12:57,679
let the world burn and drink it in

3854
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:06,629
fiat whiskey ruat kaizen

3855
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:09,589
uh like now again i'm gonna segue in

3856
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:11,280
into the the coming of the wasteland and

3857
02:13:14,069 --> 02:13:12,639
we're you know we're coming here near

3858
02:13:16,550 --> 02:13:14,079
the end of the episode

3859
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:16,560
uh and speaking of uh you know the end

3860
02:13:21,510 --> 02:13:19,119
of civilization at the cause of whiskey

3861
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:21,520
i don't i'm sure that whiskey and scotch

3862
02:13:25,910 --> 02:13:23,440
was not the cause

3863
02:13:26,629 --> 02:13:25,920
of land going into ruin

3864
02:13:28,709 --> 02:13:26,639
um

3865
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:28,719
but what what was your what is your take

3866
02:13:33,510 --> 02:13:31,040
on that how okay

3867
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:33,520
there's it is a very interesting fact

3868
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:34,719
that

3869
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:35,520
when

3870
02:13:40,390 --> 02:13:37,760
um

3871
02:13:42,470 --> 02:13:40,400
end of the middle ages transition into

3872
02:13:44,709 --> 02:13:42,480
what historians clumsily call the early

3873
02:13:46,709 --> 02:13:44,719
modern period

3874
02:13:49,589 --> 02:13:46,719
over much of europe

3875
02:13:52,390 --> 02:13:49,599
the all the the monasteries

3876
02:13:54,790 --> 02:13:52,400
which under my theory had had managed to

3877
02:13:56,790 --> 02:13:54,800
preserve much of this ancient technology

3878
02:13:57,830 --> 02:13:56,800
were abolished well actually they were

3879
02:13:59,189 --> 02:13:57,840
abolished in all the protestant

3880
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:59,199
countries in the catholic countries they

3881
02:14:03,270 --> 02:14:00,719
were put under

3882
02:14:05,430 --> 02:14:03,280
new strict supervision they had to

3883
02:14:07,430 --> 02:14:05,440
follow an approved ritual

3884
02:14:08,629 --> 02:14:07,440
handed down from rome and had people

3885
02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:08,639
breathing down their necks all the time

3886
02:14:10,550 --> 02:14:09,760
so there were probably things there

3887
02:14:11,830 --> 02:14:10,560
would have been things they

3888
02:14:13,910 --> 02:14:11,840
traditionally did they could not do

3889
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:13,920
anymore and

3890
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:17,440
all of a sudden you have famine you have

3891
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:20,639
um large sections of their whole regions

3892
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:22,480
in england right now okay that in the

3893
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:24,960
middle ages had um

3894
02:14:31,030 --> 02:14:27,840
villages all over them villages farmland

3895
02:14:32,790 --> 02:14:31,040
they were bustling lots of people um

3896
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:32,800
and then

3897
02:14:37,910 --> 02:14:35,920
you know and that's true it's like 1500

3898
02:14:39,830 --> 02:14:37,920
and then you get to like sixteen fifty

3899
02:14:41,750 --> 02:14:39,840
seventy hundred there's nobody there

3900
02:14:44,149 --> 02:14:41,760
there's never been a settling settlement

3901
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:44,159
there since it's high it's you know high

3902
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:46,000
blasted wind blasted kind of thing where

3903
02:14:50,629 --> 02:14:48,719
you can barely even barely raise sheep

3904
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:50,639
it used to be that scientists insisted

3905
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:51,840
that the

3906
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:53,360
the late medieval there was a there was

3907
02:14:56,790 --> 02:14:54,560
an early medieval actually in the early

3908
02:14:59,189 --> 02:14:56,800
medieval warm period

3909
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:59,199
before what's called the little ice age

3910
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:01,119
and that it was sufficient it was it was

3911
02:15:06,790 --> 02:15:04,159
uh seriously warmer than it is today and

3912
02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:06,800
that's why for example you had wine

3913
02:15:10,629 --> 02:15:08,480
grapes being grown over much of southern

3914
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:10,639
england which you can't do anymore yeah

3915
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:12,800
i i know uh renault carlson actually has

3916
02:15:16,390 --> 02:15:14,880
mentioned the exact same thing i have to

3917
02:15:17,990 --> 02:15:16,400
hook you guys up

3918
02:15:20,790 --> 02:15:18,000
now here's the thing

3919
02:15:23,109 --> 02:15:20,800
the latest studies of temperature from

3920
02:15:26,550 --> 02:15:23,119
like greenland ice cores and so on

3921
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:26,560
there was no early medieval warm period

3922
02:15:30,310 --> 02:15:28,400
i mean it was better than it was warmer

3923
02:15:32,069 --> 02:15:30,320
than the little the little ice age that

3924
02:15:33,750 --> 02:15:32,079
follows but it was actually no warmer

3925
02:15:35,750 --> 02:15:33,760
than it was before global warming

3926
02:15:38,229 --> 02:15:35,760
started kicking in a few years back

3927
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:38,239
so how come you had all of these areas

3928
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:39,679
that were produced that were productive

3929
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,719
farms

3930
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:42,960
that you can't grow anything on today

3931
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:45,520
my thesis is that this is again the

3932
02:15:50,550 --> 02:15:48,560
collapse of the old temple technology

3933
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,560
which was making it possible to grow

3934
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:52,800
crops in areas which don't support crops

3935
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:53,760
now

3936
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:57,199
interestingly the same thing happened

3937
02:16:01,669 --> 02:15:59,840
when the roman empire went christian

3938
02:16:03,750 --> 02:16:01,679
when when christianity was imposed over

3939
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:03,760
the roman empire very large sections of

3940
02:16:07,510 --> 02:16:05,679
the empire had immense population drops

3941
02:16:09,270 --> 02:16:07,520
over the century or two that followed

3942
02:16:11,189 --> 02:16:09,280
and you had just

3943
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:11,199
there was no food to be had

3944
02:16:14,390 --> 02:16:12,400
um

3945
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:14,400
may one of the major differences north

3946
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:15,440
of the mediterranean south of

3947
02:16:18,310 --> 02:16:17,199
mediterranean north of mediterranean you

3948
02:16:20,310 --> 02:16:18,320
have christianity which ended up

3949
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:20,320
adopting a version of the temple

3950
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:21,920
technology a little later on during the

3951
02:16:24,709 --> 02:16:23,119
dark ages

3952
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:24,719
south of the mediterranean you've got

3953
02:16:29,430 --> 02:16:26,639
islam and they have been absent they do

3954
02:16:31,270 --> 02:16:29,440
not a mosque is not a temple a mosque is

3955
02:16:32,709 --> 02:16:31,280
a place where you listen to you know you

3956
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:32,719
you listen to readings of the quran and

3957
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:34,800
pray to allah and they don't do any of

3958
02:16:37,349 --> 02:16:36,559
the temple technology

3959
02:16:38,309 --> 02:16:37,359
so

3960
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,319
even though the north of the

3961
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:39,840
mediterranean south mediterranean have

3962
02:16:43,669 --> 02:16:41,599
essentially the same climate north of

3963
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:43,679
the mediterranean near spain southern

3964
02:16:48,230 --> 02:16:45,040
france italy

3965
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:48,240
are green south of medrain it's desert

3966
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:50,880
i guess you could you could say where

3967
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,950
where's

3968
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:56,000
trying to think of the metaphor here

3969
02:16:58,870 --> 02:16:57,840
where where does the metal meet the road

3970
02:17:01,589 --> 02:16:58,880
or something

3971
02:17:06,469 --> 02:17:04,309
a rising rising trend in the prevalence

3972
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:06,479
of agriculture sustaining society and

3973
02:17:11,349 --> 02:17:09,040
people's ability to maintain and control

3974
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:11,359
agriculture and then you have all these

3975
02:17:15,349 --> 02:17:13,200
buildings being built

3976
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:15,359
as a correlation but then you say well

3977
02:17:19,349 --> 02:17:17,599
okay so

3978
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:19,359
in terms of the volume of agriculture

3979
02:17:22,629 --> 02:17:20,639
and the volume of buildings that are

3980
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:22,639
both increasing in trending lines you'd

3981
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:23,599
say well

3982
02:17:28,709 --> 02:17:26,880
how does this temple showing

3983
02:17:30,870 --> 02:17:28,719
increase yields on you'd say well you

3984
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:30,880
know am i getting heavier grapes the

3985
02:17:34,230 --> 02:17:32,639
grapes that are growing near the church

3986
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:34,240
look at look at ancient egypt

3987
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:35,760
going back to the like ancient needs

3988
02:17:38,870 --> 02:17:36,800
returning

3989
02:17:40,469 --> 02:17:38,880
during uh like around 10 000 years ago

3990
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:40,479
up until about like six or seven

3991
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:43,120
thousand years ago the sahara was

3992
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:46,000
fertile you know like rain forest it was

3993
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:48,399
it was it was it was savannah yeah it

3994
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:50,240
was savannah they had they had gazelles

3995
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:52,639
they had giraffes they had lions

3996
02:17:54,709 --> 02:17:53,519
um

3997
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:54,719
and then

3998
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:56,479
the rain stopped coming that was

3999
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:59,040
actually the first thing the the the

4000
02:18:03,750 --> 02:18:01,280
deep sahara yeah dried out and you think

4001
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:03,760
now here's the thing until the end of

4002
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:06,319
the roman empire north africa was a

4003
02:18:12,549 --> 02:18:08,000
major grain belt

4004
02:18:14,709 --> 02:18:12,559
what's now morocco tunisia libya

4005
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,719
produced huge amounts of grain that was

4006
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:16,800
where the grain came the rain ships

4007
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,880
loaded to take grain to rome which had

4008
02:18:21,669 --> 02:18:20,719
like a million and a half people

4009
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:21,679
okay

4010
02:18:27,110 --> 02:18:23,280
you can't grow hardly anything there

4011
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,110
i'm arguing that that the reason that

4012
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:30,880
they were able to that they were able to

4013
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:32,399
turn that area into a grain belt was

4014
02:18:35,750 --> 02:18:34,639
because of the temple technology because

4015
02:18:37,270 --> 02:18:35,760
um

4016
02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:37,280
versions of the temples of the temple

4017
02:18:41,349 --> 02:18:39,519
technology from egypt and then also as

4018
02:18:43,669 --> 02:18:41,359
reworked by the greeks

4019
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:43,679
had spread all over what

4020
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:45,359
northern africa all over the the

4021
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:47,359
southern mediterranean coast they were

4022
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:48,960
they were doing the temple technology

4023
02:18:53,669 --> 02:18:50,880
hardcore and they got the results that

4024
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,679
is to say bumper crops of wheat and and

4025
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:55,439
other agricultural products

4026
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:56,559
when

4027
02:18:59,750 --> 02:18:58,160
christianity came through and tore down

4028
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:59,760
the temples and put up churches and then

4029
02:19:02,629 --> 02:19:00,960
islam came through and tore down the

4030
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:02,639
churches and put on mosques

4031
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:04,880
the temple technology fell into fellow

4032
02:19:10,389 --> 02:19:08,399
disuse and

4033
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:10,399
agricultural fertility dropped the floor

4034
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:12,160
populations plunging you end up with the

4035
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:14,160
debt with the mostly desert

4036
02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:16,399
countries that we have now

4037
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:17,679
um

4038
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:19,040
and you know you could say well yeah

4039
02:19:21,030 --> 02:19:20,160
there could have been other causes of

4040
02:19:23,030 --> 02:19:21,040
course there could have been other

4041
02:19:26,950 --> 02:19:23,040
causes but look at north of the

4042
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:26,960
mediterranean um again spain

4043
02:19:31,990 --> 02:19:29,200
um have you ever heard of the idea of

4044
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:32,000
hurran's fountain which is uh it's like

4045
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:33,679
first century a.d where they started

4046
02:19:37,669 --> 02:19:35,760
doing hydraulics with waters to open

4047
02:19:38,709 --> 02:19:37,679
like megalithic church doors and things

4048
02:19:40,709 --> 02:19:38,719
like that

4049
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:40,719
yeah they're playing with water tables

4050
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:42,399
and displacement

4051
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:44,719
yeah and yeah

4052
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:45,679
yeah i mean

4053
02:19:48,790 --> 02:19:47,599
the stuff that was going on around right

4054
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:48,800
around the beginning and the beginning

4055
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:50,000
of the common era they had some

4056
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:52,319
amazingly complicated stuff the romans

4057
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,960
used to build used to do um an organ

4058
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:57,040
using a hydraulic organ

4059
02:20:00,150 --> 02:19:58,560
that's a really cool stuff like you

4060
02:20:02,710 --> 02:20:00,160
light this torch and it heats up this

4061
02:20:05,190 --> 02:20:02,720
water and then yeah yeah

4062
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,200
that's the giant hero of alexandria yeah

4063
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:06,720
yeah you like that you light the incense

4064
02:20:11,429 --> 02:20:08,880
on the altar and the shrine door comes

4065
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:11,439
open the statue of the god comes out

4066
02:20:15,910 --> 02:20:13,920
yeah yeah that like that particular

4067
02:20:17,510 --> 02:20:15,920
architect was basically known that was

4068
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:17,520
his thing that's how he made his money

4069
02:20:21,590 --> 02:20:19,280
it's like oh we want we want to be able

4070
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:21,600
to impress the people hire this guy and

4071
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:23,680
he will make sense

4072
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:26,000
yeah very impressive temples yeah yeah

4073
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:27,200
this is the guy who came who came up

4074
02:20:30,389 --> 02:20:28,479
with as far as we know the world for

4075
02:20:32,230 --> 02:20:30,399
steam turbine

4076
02:20:34,790 --> 02:20:32,240
and that was like the three thousand

4077
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:34,800
years before we even had exactly

4078
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:37,280
knowingly uh steam technology which i i

4079
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:39,680
think is like phenomenal like how how

4080
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:42,080
did we go three thousand years

4081
02:20:45,750 --> 02:20:44,000
in in discovering this is it's a greek

4082
02:20:47,670 --> 02:20:45,760
fire napalm like there's a large

4083
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:47,680
disparity of thousands of years between

4084
02:20:51,270 --> 02:20:49,600
the technology first being used

4085
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:51,280
and then it being rediscovered and

4086
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:52,479
mass-produced

4087
02:20:56,790 --> 02:20:54,240
yeah and then it gets then it gets lost

4088
02:20:58,950 --> 02:20:56,800
and because and this is if you had water

4089
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:58,960
pumps back then your agriculture would

4090
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:00,720
be next level

4091
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,280
exactly and and they were using water

4092
02:21:07,030 --> 02:21:05,200
pumping techniques to get water into the

4093
02:21:08,710 --> 02:21:07,040
into the field through the rain

4094
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:08,720
they would do all kinds of stuff

4095
02:21:11,590 --> 02:21:09,520
um

4096
02:21:15,110 --> 02:21:11,600
and one of the interesting things i some

4097
02:21:16,309 --> 02:21:15,120
years ago i translated a um

4098
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:16,319
an arab

4099
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:18,880
well it was latin the latin translation

4100
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:21,280
the latin medieval latin version of an

4101
02:21:25,510 --> 02:21:24,000
arabic textbook on sorcery

4102
02:21:28,230 --> 02:21:25,520
and the

4103
02:21:29,910 --> 02:21:28,240
um if you see everything you you you you

4104
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:29,920
know about the necronomicon the the

4105
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,600
imaginary book of magic that a tree

4106
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:33,920
lovecraft cooked up um it's it's

4107
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:35,760
basically true about the pikatrix um

4108
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:37,120
apparently lovecraft didn't know about

4109
02:21:41,670 --> 02:21:38,720
the bakerdrix behind but he invented it

4110
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:41,680
anyway but anyway it includes a lot of

4111
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:44,960
material on agriculture

4112
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:46,160
that's interesting

4113
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:47,680
why why wouldn't that

4114
02:21:51,429 --> 02:21:49,120
do that

4115
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:51,439
well because the thing is

4116
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:53,439
a wizard your comment or garden variety

4117
02:21:57,750 --> 02:21:55,600
wizard in the dark ages was an

4118
02:21:59,349 --> 02:21:57,760
all-purpose intellectual

4119
02:22:01,030 --> 02:21:59,359
on the beginning actually

4120
02:22:02,550 --> 02:22:01,040
list the things that you needed to know

4121
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:02,560
to be an effective sorcerer and you know

4122
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:04,000
you need to have a good grasp of

4123
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:06,399
politics and economics and military

4124
02:22:11,590 --> 02:22:09,920
science and um mathematics and all this

4125
02:22:14,710 --> 02:22:11,600
kind of stuff because you're going to be

4126
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:14,720
advising people what about the job

4127
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:15,920
yeah exactly yeah

4128
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:18,000
you need you need you need to talk about

4129
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:19,680
stars that's advertising okay but if

4130
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:20,640
you're lucky you're going to be out

4131
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:22,160
you'll be advising kings you have to

4132
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:23,760
give them good advice

4133
02:22:27,830 --> 02:22:25,680
and the number one thing that you have

4134
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:27,840
to make sure of to make sure your the

4135
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:29,600
kingdom the king and the kingdom prosper

4136
02:22:34,710 --> 02:22:32,800
is make sure their agriculture works

4137
02:22:36,389 --> 02:22:34,720
the food has to keep growing or

4138
02:22:39,750 --> 02:22:36,399
everybody where everything blows up in

4139
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:39,760
your face there you go basis versus yeah

4140
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:40,960
so you know you're you're basically

4141
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,960
you're basic gandalf type you're

4142
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:44,160
functioning as an all-purpose

4143
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:50,150
weeds you shall not grow there's a great

4144
02:22:52,320 --> 02:22:51,920
mechanic quote where he's talking about

4145
02:22:54,550 --> 02:22:52,330
um

4146
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:54,560
[Music]

4147
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:56,479
your average person is running

4148
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:58,720
drawing a comparison uh for culture as

4149
02:23:02,389 --> 02:23:00,800
an operating system is the youtube video

4150
02:23:05,270 --> 02:23:02,399
and he's saying your average person is

4151
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:05,280
running culture light whereas

4152
02:23:09,510 --> 02:23:06,960
your shamans are running the full

4153
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:09,520
registered developers edition of the

4154
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,800
software

4155
02:23:13,349 --> 02:23:12,240
you know the correct edition that they

4156
02:23:15,590 --> 02:23:13,359
haven't actually paid for and they just

4157
02:23:17,429 --> 02:23:15,600
replace a few files or run a key gen

4158
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:17,439
it's like okay there we go we got crops

4159
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:22,950
now how have people been able to recover

4160
02:23:26,710 --> 02:23:25,120
this technology over time and like even

4161
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:26,720
if it's been lost

4162
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:28,240
like is it something that has been

4163
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:29,760
passed down like what we've we've talked

4164
02:23:34,309 --> 02:23:32,000
about the freeman like the old uh

4165
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:34,319
operative masons guilds where the

4166
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:36,080
knowledge on how to be able to build a

4167
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:38,319
cathedral from a master builder to a

4168
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:40,080
fellow craft to an apprentice was passed

4169
02:23:44,469 --> 02:23:42,800
down is is this how the technology has

4170
02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:44,479
been like lost and found like what

4171
02:23:47,990 --> 02:23:46,479
happens if there's a break in the chain

4172
02:23:49,910 --> 02:23:48,000
you see that's that's that's the problem

4173
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:49,920
that we face here because i'm arguing

4174
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:52,000
that there was a break in the chain

4175
02:23:55,830 --> 02:23:54,160
between um probably between about

4176
02:23:58,150 --> 02:23:55,840
fifteen hundred and seventeen hundred

4177
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:58,160
that was an era of savage civil wars

4178
02:24:01,830 --> 02:23:59,920
across britain and then most of europe

4179
02:24:03,110 --> 02:24:01,840
in fact and it would have been very

4180
02:24:04,870 --> 02:24:03,120
difficult to keep that kind of oral

4181
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:04,880
tradition intact and i'm arguing that in

4182
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:06,560
fact the chain was broken at that point

4183
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:08,640
and that's why what we have

4184
02:24:12,469 --> 02:24:09,840
are the

4185
02:24:14,550 --> 02:24:12,479
intriguing but inclusive fragments

4186
02:24:18,309 --> 02:24:14,560
if the tradition has survived intact at

4187
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:18,319
all um it will survive it will be in um

4188
02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:20,640
possibly in india possibly in japan both

4189
02:24:23,110 --> 02:24:21,920
of those areas have had the cultural

4190
02:24:24,630 --> 02:24:23,120
continuity although there's been a lot

4191
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:24,640
of disruption there too

4192
02:24:28,870 --> 02:24:26,880
um the other possibility is that there

4193
02:24:30,790 --> 02:24:28,880
may be documentary sources

4194
02:24:32,710 --> 02:24:30,800
but it is it is not something as you

4195
02:24:34,469 --> 02:24:32,720
know as far as we know

4196
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:34,479
the lost world remains lost but it might

4197
02:24:37,670 --> 02:24:36,000
be it's possible that it could be found

4198
02:24:39,429 --> 02:24:37,680
again and

4199
02:24:41,030 --> 02:24:39,439
what i what i suggest is that there's

4200
02:24:43,429 --> 02:24:41,040
there's several different angles that

4201
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:43,439
could be taken to try to find it because

4202
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:45,600
the one the one great advantage we have

4203
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:47,600
here is that we know that this system

4204
02:24:51,670 --> 02:24:49,600
was not come up with using really

4205
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:51,680
expensive technologies it was come up

4206
02:24:55,270 --> 02:24:53,600
with over you know by trial and error

4207
02:24:56,469 --> 02:24:55,280
through people who were noticing that

4208
02:24:58,389 --> 02:24:56,479
certain kinds of buildings had certain

4209
02:25:00,790 --> 02:24:58,399
effects on the surrounding fields

4210
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:00,800
and so on one hand

4211
02:25:04,389 --> 02:25:02,319
there's the research in documentary

4212
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,399
sources in the the traditions of other

4213
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:06,720
cultures correlating all this body of

4214
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:08,399
knowledge together until

4215
02:25:12,710 --> 02:25:10,960
maybe it it becomes complete enough that

4216
02:25:14,150 --> 02:25:12,720
we can look at it all and say okay this

4217
02:25:15,910 --> 02:25:14,160
makes sense

4218
02:25:18,150 --> 02:25:15,920
that might be how it works

4219
02:25:22,230 --> 02:25:18,160
the other end of it is experimentation

4220
02:25:23,750 --> 02:25:22,240
um whether on the part of um clergy

4221
02:25:25,110 --> 02:25:23,760
in existing religious traditions who

4222
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:25,120
might have acts that might have the

4223
02:25:28,870 --> 02:25:26,720
opportunity to test it out in a

4224
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:28,880
straightforward way or you know people

4225
02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:31,600
who have the opportunity to put up a

4226
02:25:36,070 --> 02:25:33,680
you know like one of the small rural

4227
02:25:37,429 --> 02:25:36,080
shrines that were commonly used all over

4228
02:25:38,790 --> 02:25:37,439
the ancient world are still in use in

4229
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:38,800
japan today

4230
02:25:42,950 --> 02:25:41,359
and you know again do the experiment

4231
02:25:45,670 --> 02:25:42,960
find out what works

4232
02:25:46,870 --> 02:25:45,680
test it out if i had the funding i i'd

4233
02:25:49,349 --> 02:25:46,880
be very interested in putting up a

4234
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:49,359
temple somewhere no also speaking of

4235
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:50,880
experiments and again just to be able to

4236
02:25:54,230 --> 02:25:52,800
kind of like you know

4237
02:25:56,070 --> 02:25:54,240
playfully plug the book again there

4238
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:56,080
there are actually experiments that you

4239
02:26:00,150 --> 02:25:57,920
uh put as a side table

4240
02:26:01,750 --> 02:26:00,160
to uh two people to try out for

4241
02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:01,760
themselves which i find is fantastic

4242
02:26:04,550 --> 02:26:03,280
it's like an interactive

4243
02:26:06,150 --> 02:26:04,560
uh like okay like here's all this

4244
02:26:08,550 --> 02:26:06,160
knowledge try it out for yourselves at

4245
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:08,560
home kids and i think that's cool

4246
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:11,120
check this puppy out and so yeah that

4247
02:26:15,670 --> 02:26:13,920
was i got i got that one from from um a

4248
02:26:17,349 --> 02:26:15,680
book by dr phil calan

4249
02:26:18,950 --> 02:26:17,359
he he's one of the people who noticed

4250
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:18,960
that the um

4251
02:26:22,630 --> 02:26:20,640
paramagnetic stone

4252
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:22,640
we i mentioned that briefly i will move

4253
02:26:26,150 --> 02:26:23,920
since we are fairly close to the end

4254
02:26:27,750 --> 02:26:26,160
i'll just summarize here most substances

4255
02:26:29,590 --> 02:26:27,760
in nature are either paramagnetic or

4256
02:26:31,510 --> 02:26:29,600
diamagnetic paramagnetic stones have

4257
02:26:34,630 --> 02:26:31,520
very weak magnetism they kind of attract

4258
02:26:37,110 --> 02:26:34,640
magnetic fields diamagnetic substances

4259
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:37,120
repel magnetism very slightly again you

4260
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:39,280
you basically need an instrument

4261
02:26:43,349 --> 02:26:41,040
to detect this but it's but it's known

4262
02:26:46,550 --> 02:26:43,359
which is which strongly paramagnetic

4263
02:26:49,190 --> 02:26:46,560
stone is generally used for

4264
02:26:51,429 --> 02:26:49,200
temples it's standing stones the kind of

4265
02:26:52,870 --> 02:26:51,439
standing stones that are used um like

4266
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:52,880
you find

4267
02:26:56,389 --> 02:26:54,160
yeah

4268
02:26:59,510 --> 02:26:56,399
you know they're almost all made of very

4269
02:27:00,550 --> 02:26:59,520
strongly paramagnetic stone

4270
02:27:02,790 --> 02:27:00,560
and so

4271
02:27:04,710 --> 02:27:02,800
my the the thesis is this is part of the

4272
02:27:07,349 --> 02:27:04,720
puzzle

4273
02:27:08,389 --> 02:27:07,359
um what part of the we don't know that's

4274
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:08,399
again

4275
02:27:12,630 --> 02:27:10,720
we're this is this is very much like the

4276
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:12,640
old quest for the holy grail you saddle

4277
02:27:16,469 --> 02:27:14,640
up and climb on your horse and grab your

4278
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:16,479
sword in your shield and start writing

4279
02:27:20,469 --> 02:27:18,479
and see what you find this is why we're

4280
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:20,479
heading out to do an excursion to mount

4281
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:21,760
sarah but

4282
02:27:25,670 --> 02:27:23,200
yeah you know if you if you want to pay

4283
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:25,680
for that a trip to egypt go for it or

4284
02:27:30,230 --> 02:27:28,319
you know you you can support the show

4285
02:27:32,309 --> 02:27:30,240
uh in the notes below and send us some

4286
02:27:34,309 --> 02:27:32,319
you know send us some support dollars to

4287
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:34,319
get us out to egypt we will podcast from

4288
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:37,120
the middle east if uh things go well i i

4289
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:40,240
hope okay sounds like a plan

4290
02:27:43,349 --> 02:27:41,280
yeah you know like that that's

4291
02:27:45,349 --> 02:27:43,359
absolutely fantastic i think we've like

4292
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:45,359
summarized the spirit of the new book

4293
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:46,560
and honestly i would recommend all of

4294
02:27:50,790 --> 02:27:48,640
our listeners go check it out i've i've

4295
02:27:53,429 --> 02:27:50,800
read it over the last couple of days

4296
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:53,439
um you know i read the first half uh

4297
02:27:58,389 --> 02:27:56,319
like at least one once i i got my my

4298
02:28:00,469 --> 02:27:58,399
version from from sarah

4299
02:28:01,429 --> 02:28:00,479
and it just captivated me i i powered

4300
02:28:03,190 --> 02:28:01,439
through

4301
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:03,200
you know as much as i could today you

4302
02:28:06,950 --> 02:28:04,560
know dealing with the accident and all

4303
02:28:08,389 --> 02:28:06,960
that but it just was so interesting so

4304
02:28:10,469 --> 02:28:08,399
chock full of knowledge and actually so

4305
02:28:12,070 --> 02:28:10,479
many questions that i've had talking

4306
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:12,080
from other guests and like it's it's

4307
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:14,000
completing the puzzle and and that's the

4308
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:15,760
one extra piece it's like okay you've

4309
02:28:19,670 --> 02:28:18,399
got uh you know the corner piece that

4310
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:19,680
all of a sudden you've got like 15 other

4311
02:28:22,870 --> 02:28:20,960
pieces that you've had on the side that

4312
02:28:24,469 --> 02:28:22,880
you you can start placing

4313
02:28:27,750 --> 02:28:24,479
and also click click click click yeah

4314
02:28:31,349 --> 02:28:27,760
exactly so like like i'm absolutely

4315
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:31,359
mind blown uh by by the book and what

4316
02:28:35,270 --> 02:28:34,000
we've discussed tonight uh before we end

4317
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:35,280
and i know that we wanted to be able to

4318
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:36,880
talk to talk about this

4319
02:28:41,670 --> 02:28:40,160
uh was you know like you are a uh like

4320
02:28:43,830 --> 02:28:41,680
you you're currently a grand arch druid

4321
02:28:46,150 --> 02:28:43,840
you're also a friend actually i'm i'm

4322
02:28:48,150 --> 02:28:46,160
actually i mean the the bio you got was

4323
02:28:51,349 --> 02:28:48,160
a little was about a year out of date i

4324
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:51,359
retired as grand archdruid in um at the

4325
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:54,560
winter solstice of 2015. i am now a an

4326
02:28:58,870 --> 02:28:56,399
archdruid emeritus

4327
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:58,880
and um rather enjoying having a little

4328
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:00,800
more spare time

4329
02:29:04,630 --> 02:29:02,800
oh well i was a senior award in my lodge

4330
02:29:06,230 --> 02:29:04,640
before i was going to becoming a master

4331
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:06,240
so i you know apparently for what i was

4332
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:08,479
told it's like you know the masters

4333
02:29:11,190 --> 02:29:09,920
you know like the grand archdruid the

4334
02:29:12,469 --> 02:29:11,200
master of the lodge it's kind of the

4335
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:12,479
same idea you're heading up an

4336
02:29:16,870 --> 02:29:14,800
organization and the idea of free time

4337
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:16,880
from people i know that have been let's

4338
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:18,800
say in the master's chair for two three

4339
02:29:21,910 --> 02:29:20,160
years

4340
02:29:26,389 --> 02:29:21,920
concurrently the like uh like it's like

4341
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:29,510
so how did yeah like you you have you've

4342
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:31,760
you've talked a lot and a lot about on

4343
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:33,359
the internet from most podcasts i've

4344
02:29:38,230 --> 02:29:35,439
heard the collapsed civilization

4345
02:29:39,750 --> 02:29:38,240
podcasts the recurring theme of peak oil

4346
02:29:40,950 --> 02:29:39,760
that was a big theme for you for a long

4347
02:29:42,550 --> 02:29:40,960
time i think this is actually the first

4348
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:42,560
podcast you've talked about the

4349
02:29:47,190 --> 02:29:44,640
velocities of freemasonry or freemasonry

4350
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:47,200
in general which i'm i'm i i feel very

4351
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,560
privileged to have you talking about it

4352
02:29:52,710 --> 02:29:50,399
but how did you get involved in

4353
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:52,720
freemasonry in the first place

4354
02:29:56,710 --> 02:29:55,359
um it's kind of a complicated story i um

4355
02:29:59,030 --> 02:29:56,720
originally

4356
02:30:01,349 --> 02:29:59,040
when i as as you mentioned in the bio

4357
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:01,359
way back when you at the opening i grew

4358
02:30:04,469 --> 02:30:03,040
up in a non-religious household i had i

4359
02:30:06,230 --> 02:30:04,479
always had the idea though there was

4360
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:06,240
there was definitely something out there

4361
02:30:11,270 --> 02:30:08,720
something very interesting and

4362
02:30:14,230 --> 02:30:11,280
um like a lot of a lot of young people

4363
02:30:16,389 --> 02:30:14,240
in the in the late 1970s i explored you

4364
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:16,399
know a little bit of eastern religion a

4365
02:30:19,270 --> 02:30:17,520
little bit of this a little bit of that

4366
02:30:20,070 --> 02:30:19,280
but i found i really found my spiritual

4367
02:30:22,550 --> 02:30:20,080
home

4368
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:22,560
in the western esoteric traditions

4369
02:30:27,670 --> 02:30:25,359
and part of the way that worked out was

4370
02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:27,680
that i got i got involved in the golden

4371
02:30:31,670 --> 02:30:30,399
dawn tradition of ceremonial magic

4372
02:30:34,469 --> 02:30:31,680
holy [\h__\h]

4373
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:34,479
excuse my language that is awesome no no

4374
02:30:37,830 --> 02:30:36,000
no the goal it was most of what you

4375
02:30:39,429 --> 02:30:37,840
could get i mean you could get a lot of

4376
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:39,439
of wicca in those days kind of the

4377
02:30:43,590 --> 02:30:41,280
wicked light and that did not interest

4378
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:43,600
me um for a variety of reasons but the

4379
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:45,439
golden dawn was of great interest it was

4380
02:30:49,030 --> 02:30:46,880
you know it was it was old-fashioned it

4381
02:30:50,790 --> 02:30:49,040
was stuffy it was stodgy it involved

4382
02:30:52,710 --> 02:30:50,800
lots of memorization and complicated

4383
02:30:53,670 --> 02:30:52,720
stuff so i loved it of course

4384
02:30:56,389 --> 02:30:53,680
and

4385
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:56,399
so i spent i spent about 20 years

4386
02:30:59,510 --> 02:30:58,240
studying doing systematic work in the

4387
02:31:00,389 --> 02:30:59,520
golden dawn tradition just training

4388
02:31:02,469 --> 02:31:00,399
myself

4389
02:31:04,309 --> 02:31:02,479
i didn't have access to to a temple at

4390
02:31:06,309 --> 02:31:04,319
that time or anything like that it was

4391
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:06,319
just solo study based on the published

4392
02:31:08,870 --> 02:31:07,520
material

4393
02:31:10,790 --> 02:31:08,880
and

4394
02:31:13,590 --> 02:31:10,800
there were all these things that just

4395
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:13,600
didn't quite mesh

4396
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:14,720
and then

4397
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:18,560
in let's see it would have been 1993.

4398
02:31:22,150 --> 02:31:20,960
i inherited a ceremonial sword that my

4399
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:22,160
grandfather had owned actually my

4400
02:31:26,230 --> 02:31:23,600
great-grandfather had owned my

4401
02:31:27,990 --> 02:31:26,240
grandfather had it and it belonged it

4402
02:31:29,590 --> 02:31:28,000
was a ceremonial sword for the

4403
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:29,600
independent order of odd fellows which

4404
02:31:33,750 --> 02:31:31,840
he had belonged to

4405
02:31:35,429 --> 02:31:33,760
and i had gone the independent order of

4406
02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:35,439
odd fellows

4407
02:31:39,349 --> 02:31:37,680
and

4408
02:31:41,429 --> 02:31:39,359
it so happened that

4409
02:31:42,870 --> 02:31:41,439
my wife um we were talking about that

4410
02:31:44,230 --> 02:31:42,880
she had yeah they actually have a lodge

4411
02:31:45,429 --> 02:31:44,240
here in seattle you know they they just

4412
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:45,439
there was an article in the paper the

4413
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:46,720
other day

4414
02:31:50,950 --> 02:31:49,120
so i put in i put in a petition to the

4415
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:50,960
local law to the independent or fellows

4416
02:31:58,950 --> 02:31:52,000
and

4417
02:32:00,710 --> 02:31:58,960
initiate the industry degree the first

4418
02:32:02,710 --> 02:32:00,720
of the initiations of the odd fellows

4419
02:32:06,469 --> 02:32:02,720
and was going holy crap i know what's

4420
02:32:08,550 --> 02:32:06,479
going on here the ritual is not the same

4421
02:32:10,070 --> 02:32:08,560
but the overall structure this is what

4422
02:32:12,230 --> 02:32:10,080
they were talking about in the golden

4423
02:32:13,590 --> 02:32:12,240
dawn this is how the initiation rituals

4424
02:32:15,030 --> 02:32:13,600
work okay

4425
02:32:17,110 --> 02:32:15,040
so i was inv i was heavily involved in

4426
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:17,120
the odd fellows for some time and i had

4427
02:32:32,950 --> 02:32:17,840
a

4428
02:32:35,670 --> 02:32:32,960
were

4429
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:35,680
masons up to their eyeballs

4430
02:32:39,270 --> 02:32:37,439
william westcott who was one of the two

4431
02:32:40,630 --> 02:32:39,280
main founders was also the founder of

4432
02:32:43,270 --> 02:32:40,640
quattro corona one of the founders of

4433
02:32:44,630 --> 02:32:43,280
quattro coronado research in london

4434
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:44,640
um

4435
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:45,760
and

4436
02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:47,040
he involved he had a finger in every

4437
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:50,319
masonic pie in in in in britain and

4438
02:32:54,870 --> 02:32:52,960
large parts of western europe and so you

4439
02:32:56,870 --> 02:32:54,880
know so i got involved so that's that

4440
02:32:59,190 --> 02:32:56,880
that was what got me involved in masonry

4441
02:33:01,349 --> 02:32:59,200
that um the golden dawn connection the

4442
02:33:03,190 --> 02:33:01,359
desire to have to have access to the

4443
02:33:04,550 --> 02:33:03,200
tradition that it's shaped he was one of

4444
02:33:09,670 --> 02:33:04,560
those guys who hasn't paid for dinner

4445
02:33:12,150 --> 02:33:10,630
um

4446
02:33:13,030 --> 02:33:12,160
no because most of the lodges i belong

4447
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:13,040
to the

4448
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:14,160
you know you need to chip in a little

4449
02:33:18,070 --> 02:33:16,319
bit we're not that well or or eaten

4450
02:33:21,830 --> 02:33:18,080
dinner at home since 1983 i think that's

4451
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:23,270
there would there would not be domestic

4452
02:33:29,349 --> 02:33:26,800
full of city if i were to um

4453
02:33:31,750 --> 02:33:29,359
to attend lodge too many nights a week

4454
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:31,760
but um but i have i have eaten a lot of

4455
02:33:36,870 --> 02:33:33,840
lodge

4456
02:33:38,870 --> 02:33:36,880
and yeah so that that was that was what

4457
02:33:39,910 --> 02:33:38,880
so i i joined

4458
02:33:45,830 --> 02:33:39,920
the

4459
02:33:49,349 --> 02:33:45,840
in seattle washington

4460
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:49,359
and proceeded from there

4461
02:33:53,670 --> 02:33:50,560
and

4462
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:53,680
you're also i like i i'm involved in the

4463
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:56,000
scottish uh scottish rite and one of my

4464
02:33:59,110 --> 02:33:57,439
selling things to kind of like give

4465
02:34:00,790 --> 02:33:59,120
myself a little bit of credibility to

4466
02:34:02,150 --> 02:34:00,800
but you know whether to scare the crap

4467
02:34:03,110 --> 02:34:02,160
out of the conspiracy theorists who

4468
02:34:05,030 --> 02:34:03,120
don't listen to the show because we

4469
02:34:07,030 --> 02:34:05,040
don't do conspiracy theories on the show

4470
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:07,040
or get the people who really love the

4471
02:34:10,790 --> 02:34:08,640
ancient history i do mention that i'm a

4472
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:10,800
32nd degree freemason at every single

4473
02:34:13,910 --> 02:34:12,560
turn that i can and i know that you're

4474
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:13,920
32nd as well in the southern

4475
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:16,720
jurisdiction that's correct so

4476
02:34:19,990 --> 02:34:18,720
30 second degree kcch night commander in

4477
02:34:21,030 --> 02:34:20,000
the court of honor which is kind of the

4478
02:34:23,750 --> 02:34:21,040
halfway

4479
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:23,760
mark between uh 32nd and 33rd and in the

4480
02:34:27,349 --> 02:34:25,680
southern jurisdiction okay well we don't

4481
02:34:28,830 --> 02:34:27,359
we pretty much just jump from the 32nd

4482
02:34:31,349 --> 02:34:28,840
which is the

4483
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:31,359
uh prince the royal secret and then it

4484
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:32,880
trickles yeah and it just jumps into the

4485
02:34:37,190 --> 02:34:35,200
33rd as an honorary degree which you

4486
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:37,200
know it's like we've had individuals who

4487
02:34:40,469 --> 02:34:39,280
who have done it donated their time to

4488
02:34:42,469 --> 02:34:40,479
the scottish riches to be able to put on

4489
02:34:44,550 --> 02:34:42,479
the allegorical plays on a weekly basis

4490
02:34:46,070 --> 02:34:44,560
and or they've they've given to the

4491
02:34:48,389 --> 02:34:46,080
community a lot and they they're give it

4492
02:34:50,710 --> 02:34:48,399
their uh accorded that degree so

4493
02:34:52,150 --> 02:34:50,720
um i know

4494
02:34:53,429 --> 02:34:52,160
yeah and in the southern jurisdictions

4495
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:53,439
it's done the same way but there's

4496
02:34:56,550 --> 02:34:55,120
basically there's there's this sort of

4497
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:56,560
intermediate things where if you do a

4498
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:58,800
lot of work within within the craft or

4499
02:35:02,550 --> 02:35:00,720
within the community or so on you can be

4500
02:35:04,950 --> 02:35:02,560
honored with the you go from the black

4501
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:04,960
and the black hat of the 32nd degree to

4502
02:35:08,710 --> 02:35:06,800
a red hat

4503
02:35:11,590 --> 02:35:08,720
wow okay and then yeah and then it is

4504
02:35:12,950 --> 02:35:11,600
from among the red hats that um the the

4505
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:12,960
few and the

4506
02:35:16,230 --> 02:35:15,200
few and extremely really committed now

4507
02:35:18,469 --> 02:35:16,240
we're getting into some strange

4508
02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:18,479
operating systems literally yeah that

4509
02:35:22,150 --> 02:35:19,680
you know then they end up getting

4510
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:22,160
receiving receiving the 33rd degree and

4511
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,080
get and get the white hat

4512
02:35:28,389 --> 02:35:26,560
now you're also part of the york rite

4513
02:35:31,429 --> 02:35:28,399
i'm also part of the ark ride i am yeah

4514
02:35:34,870 --> 02:35:31,439
i am a um

4515
02:35:36,950 --> 02:35:34,880
a companion of the holy royal arch i am

4516
02:35:40,950 --> 02:35:36,960
um a

4517
02:35:41,750 --> 02:35:40,960
um cryptic mason i am a knight templar

4518
02:35:43,110 --> 02:35:41,760
and

4519
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:43,120
um i'm actually

4520
02:35:47,429 --> 02:35:45,760
currently as a as i've been i've been

4521
02:35:48,950 --> 02:35:47,439
command i've been the presiding officer

4522
02:35:50,790 --> 02:35:48,960
in all three of those bodies

4523
02:35:52,150 --> 02:35:50,800
and uh one question is why haven't you

4524
02:35:53,750 --> 02:35:52,160
joined the shrine yet

4525
02:35:54,950 --> 02:35:53,760
is it the small cars are are you too

4526
02:35:57,190 --> 02:35:54,960
tall for that

4527
02:35:58,870 --> 02:35:57,200
uh well actually i partly i've been kind

4528
02:36:00,389 --> 02:35:58,880
of saving that partly the the crew where

4529
02:36:02,790 --> 02:36:00,399
i where i currently live

4530
02:36:04,710 --> 02:36:02,800
um i don't drive

4531
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:04,720
okay

4532
02:36:07,270 --> 02:36:05,920
that's partly be

4533
02:36:09,750 --> 02:36:07,280
that's largely because you would not

4534
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,760
want um i i i don't have good at hand

4535
02:36:13,110 --> 02:36:11,600
coordination and i tend to get very

4536
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:13,120
distracted by my thoughts you do not

4537
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:14,960
want me at the under under control of

4538
02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:16,720
half a ton of metal and plastic rattling

4539
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:19,120
down the road

4540
02:36:23,190 --> 02:36:20,960
like a small plane with a propeller you

4541
02:36:25,190 --> 02:36:23,200
know spinning in the breeze with the

4542
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,200
clown hat on no no no of course

4543
02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:27,439
no but the thing is the the local shrine

4544
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:29,600
is is just difficult for me to get to

4545
02:36:34,309 --> 02:36:31,280
okay well you know like that it's a long

4546
02:36:36,790 --> 02:36:34,319
it'll be a long walk and so um

4547
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:36,800
eventually that will i i may i may um

4548
02:36:39,110 --> 02:36:37,760
you know petition for a friend

4549
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:39,120
membership at some point we'll see what

4550
02:36:45,270 --> 02:36:41,120
happens but at the moment at the moment

4551
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:46,790
well yeah i gotta understand that i'm

4552
02:36:51,349 --> 02:36:48,960
i'm still i'm working on the the the

4553
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,359
work for the 32nd degree

4554
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:53,280
allegory starts uh the practice first

4555
02:36:55,670 --> 02:36:54,560
starts now

4556
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:55,680
essentially it's like okay here's your

4557
02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:57,600
part start start learning and i'm

4558
02:37:00,790 --> 02:36:59,120
actually i'm actually a flag bearer i'm

4559
02:37:02,230 --> 02:37:00,800
working up the office officership in the

4560
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:02,240
consistory right now

4561
02:37:07,990 --> 02:37:06,160
and uh you know like for me it the the

4562
02:37:09,670 --> 02:37:08,000
memorization is

4563
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:09,680
a lot easier i find because it's a lot

4564
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:11,439
more conversational than than you know

4565
02:37:15,110 --> 02:37:13,040
you're instead of giving like a 10-page

4566
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:15,120
speech in the blue lodge here in here in

4567
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:16,000
canada

4568
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:17,200
um

4569
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:18,960
but you know i think it's all good fun

4570
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:20,560
because it's like you're in a room of

4571
02:37:23,910 --> 02:37:22,080
you know all these old you know these

4572
02:37:26,230 --> 02:37:23,920
33rd degree freemasons who have been in

4573
02:37:27,590 --> 02:37:26,240
the craft for 30 40 years and you're

4574
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:27,600
like okay like i'm going to give it by

4575
02:37:31,750 --> 02:37:29,840
all my gusto and then you hear yourself

4576
02:37:32,710 --> 02:37:31,760
through the sound system that they have

4577
02:37:33,830 --> 02:37:32,720
with this little microphone that's

4578
02:37:35,349 --> 02:37:33,840
hanging over your head and you're like

4579
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:35,359
you know okay you know like do i really

4580
02:37:43,349 --> 02:37:41,990
yeah we're um my my royal arch chapter

4581
02:37:45,670 --> 02:37:43,359
right now is gearing up to put on the

4582
02:37:47,429 --> 02:37:45,680
mark mason degree and i will be the i

4583
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:47,439
will be the um

4584
02:37:50,950 --> 02:37:49,359
general master in that

4585
02:37:52,469 --> 02:37:50,960
or whatever which

4586
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:52,479
i'm losing track of the of the various

4587
02:37:55,349 --> 02:37:53,840
terms i'll have to look it up but i'm

4588
02:37:58,070 --> 02:37:55,359
the i'm the presiding officer for that

4589
02:38:00,309 --> 02:37:58,080
degree and so i have i i need to refresh

4590
02:38:01,910 --> 02:38:00,319
my memory on all the things that i get

4591
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:01,920
to say

4592
02:38:05,590 --> 02:38:04,080
but it's it's good fun stuff oh that's

4593
02:38:07,429 --> 02:38:05,600
the whole point uh

4594
02:38:09,510 --> 02:38:07,439
with uh alex

4595
02:38:10,389 --> 02:38:09,520
is there anything you wanted to add from

4596
02:38:13,910 --> 02:38:10,399
a

4597
02:38:15,670 --> 02:38:13,920
you

4598
02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:15,680
i well i was going to

4599
02:38:20,070 --> 02:38:18,240
ask about

4600
02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:20,080
the temp or the

4601
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:22,399
parallel between the kabbalistic tree of

4602
02:38:27,110 --> 02:38:24,160
life pillars and the

4603
02:38:28,469 --> 02:38:27,120
jacon and boaz pillars of the temples

4604
02:38:30,389 --> 02:38:28,479
for

4605
02:38:32,230 --> 02:38:30,399
solomon but there was something i had a

4606
02:38:34,150 --> 02:38:32,240
question in there well

4607
02:38:36,950 --> 02:38:34,160
very very likely um

4608
02:38:38,950 --> 02:38:36,960
i mean according according to all our

4609
02:38:40,550 --> 02:38:38,960
available records the the temple of

4610
02:38:41,990 --> 02:38:40,560
solomon had the two had the two big

4611
02:38:43,030 --> 02:38:42,000
brass pillars standing out in front of

4612
02:38:45,030 --> 02:38:43,040
it

4613
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:45,040
and as part of the and that was actually

4614
02:38:49,190 --> 02:38:47,120
very common for tim for temples at that

4615
02:38:50,630 --> 02:38:49,200
place in time if you go to the other

4616
02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:50,640
little kingdoms scattered around that

4617
02:38:53,270 --> 02:38:51,840
end of the middle east you would find

4618
02:38:55,270 --> 02:38:53,280
other temples with two pillars out in

4619
02:38:57,270 --> 02:38:55,280
front and based on the egyptian egyptian

4620
02:38:58,309 --> 02:38:57,280
habit of having pylons

4621
02:38:59,830 --> 02:38:58,319
and

4622
02:39:00,790 --> 02:38:59,840
um

4623
02:39:02,710 --> 02:39:00,800
so

4624
02:39:03,990 --> 02:39:02,720
very likely on the one hand you know

4625
02:39:05,590 --> 02:39:04,000
that that would have been adopted into

4626
02:39:07,110 --> 02:39:05,600
freemasonry along with everything else

4627
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:07,120
from solomon's temple it wasn't nailed

4628
02:39:08,870 --> 02:39:07,920
down

4629
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:08,880
and

4630
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:12,240
of course the jewish um rabbis who

4631
02:39:16,469 --> 02:39:14,479
created the kabalah

4632
02:39:18,389 --> 02:39:16,479
had all of this talmudic glory in mind

4633
02:39:20,469 --> 02:39:18,399
they were thinking of solomon's temple

4634
02:39:22,070 --> 02:39:20,479
all the time too and so the pillars came

4635
02:39:24,950 --> 02:39:22,080
naturally and of course they make a very

4636
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:24,960
good symbolic representation of the

4637
02:39:30,070 --> 02:39:27,840
duality of existence

4638
02:39:32,230 --> 02:39:30,080
and you know when you stand between them

4639
02:39:34,070 --> 02:39:32,240
in one context or another you are you're

4640
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:34,080
resolving that binary individual into a

4641
02:39:39,590 --> 02:39:36,880
turner and we have a long talk about the

4642
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:39,600
sometime about the

4643
02:39:43,910 --> 02:39:42,560
the numerical logic of twos and threes

4644
02:39:45,110 --> 02:39:43,920
and how that fits into symbolism of the

4645
02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:45,120
tree of life and all kinds of things

4646
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:47,680
like that but yeah

4647
02:39:52,950 --> 02:39:50,560
it's all it is all connected

4648
02:39:55,670 --> 02:39:52,960
and speaking of all connected

4649
02:39:57,270 --> 02:39:55,680
uh you know i think at least because i

4650
02:39:59,190 --> 02:39:57,280
know that you're in the eastern eastern

4651
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:59,200
uh time zone

4652
02:40:02,950 --> 02:40:00,399
a lot of our guests they're in the

4653
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:02,960
central or uh out west so they're you

4654
02:40:05,030 --> 02:40:04,160
know for them it's like three or two

4655
02:40:07,030 --> 02:40:05,040
hours

4656
02:40:08,630 --> 02:40:07,040
uh behind we're we're coming on to

4657
02:40:09,830 --> 02:40:08,640
midnight i know that you need to be able

4658
02:40:11,990 --> 02:40:09,840
to get some rest because you probably

4659
02:40:14,309 --> 02:40:12,000
have some uh you know some memory work

4660
02:40:15,270 --> 02:40:14,319
to work on with the mark master oh yeah

4661
02:40:19,429 --> 02:40:15,280
coming up

4662
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:20,950
so i wanted to thank you very much for

4663
02:40:24,389 --> 02:40:22,880
for coming on the show um

4664
02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:24,399
i'm going to play the outreach music for

4665
02:40:27,190 --> 02:40:26,160
you which we do for every single guest

4666
02:40:28,630 --> 02:40:27,200
it's a

4667
02:40:30,550 --> 02:40:28,640
from a

4668
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:30,560
group called uh broke for free it's

4669
02:40:35,270 --> 02:40:32,800
called spellbound uh keeping with the

4670
02:40:37,270 --> 02:40:35,280
our intro music which is only knows yeah

4671
02:40:39,270 --> 02:40:37,280
you got to keep that knowledge going but

4672
02:40:40,630 --> 02:40:39,280
if you could stay on the line after the

4673
02:40:41,750 --> 02:40:40,640
uh track is done

4674
02:40:43,270 --> 02:40:41,760
just just for a brief moment just

4675
02:40:46,389 --> 02:40:43,280
because i i want to get some information

4676
02:40:49,270 --> 02:40:46,399
from you quickly before we disconnect uh

4677
02:40:51,510 --> 02:40:49,280
but uh i'll what information you won't

4678
02:40:53,030 --> 02:40:51,520
get it go ahead

4679
02:40:55,590 --> 02:40:53,040
well you know with with the right words

4680
02:40:58,070 --> 02:40:55,600
and enough whiskey

4681
02:41:01,140 --> 02:40:58,080
okay yeah okay yeah we're not going to

4682
02:41:03,910 --> 02:41:01,150
argue truth serum glenfiddich

4683
02:41:05,750 --> 02:41:03,920
[Music]

4684
02:41:07,910 --> 02:41:05,760
all right well this this is spell brown

4685
02:41:09,990 --> 02:41:07,920
a spellbound excuse me from broke for

4686
02:41:11,990 --> 02:41:10,000
free uh ladies and gentlemen thank you

4687
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:12,000
very much for listening to the program

4688
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:14,800
uh alex did you want to say goodbye

4689
02:41:18,790 --> 02:41:16,640
good evening everyone thank you for

4690
02:41:21,830 --> 02:41:18,800
tuning in god i love your voice and so

4691
02:41:24,630 --> 02:41:21,840
much and thank you to everyone also

4692
02:41:26,469 --> 02:41:24,640
uh next week which is going to be on

4693
02:41:28,630 --> 02:41:26,479
thursday at 11 a.m

4694
02:41:30,950 --> 02:41:28,640
uh let's get my calendar out here i

4695
02:41:32,330 --> 02:41:30,960
should have had this ready beforehand

4696
02:41:38,309 --> 02:41:32,340
come on come on

4697
02:41:42,150 --> 02:41:40,150
so ladies and gentlemen that was uh john

4698
02:41:43,270 --> 02:41:42,160
michael greer brother john michael greer

4699
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:43,280
talking about the lost piece of

4700
02:41:45,510 --> 02:41:44,399
freemasonry

4701
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:45,520
um

4702
02:41:52,309 --> 02:41:50,800
we are friday just january 20th 2017.

4703
02:41:55,349 --> 02:41:52,319
uh next week

4704
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:55,359
the 26th of january we have

4705
02:42:00,150 --> 02:41:57,840
international recording artist and dj

4706
02:42:03,190 --> 02:42:00,160
and performer max graham on for a

4707
02:42:06,389 --> 02:42:03,200
special 11 a.m show to talk about cycles

4708
02:42:07,830 --> 02:42:06,399
of music and his uh new release uh

4709
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:07,840
cycles eight

4710
02:42:12,710 --> 02:42:10,319
uh that he's he's been my inspiration

4711
02:42:14,710 --> 02:42:12,720
for for djing for the last like 15 years

4712
02:42:16,070 --> 02:42:14,720
honestly uh

4713
02:42:18,469 --> 02:42:16,080
you're gonna love this show don't catch

4714
02:42:20,150 --> 02:42:18,479
it uh don't miss it i should say uh

4715
02:42:22,550 --> 02:42:20,160
catch it like the cold

4716
02:42:26,630 --> 02:42:22,560
we'll see you online and uh

4717
02:42:31,510 --> 02:42:28,070
uh to

4718
02:42:33,510 --> 02:42:31,520
send me an email about the uh

4719
02:42:35,670 --> 02:42:33,520
can you send us

4720
02:42:38,550 --> 02:42:35,680
excuse me send us email with all of your

4721
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:38,560
questions comments questions comments uh

4722
02:42:44,389 --> 02:42:40,560
send us some scotch if need be by

4723
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:46,870
and uh also don't forget to check out

4724
02:42:52,790 --> 02:42:50,240
the new book by john michael greer

4725
02:42:54,469 --> 02:42:52,800
secrets of the temple

4726
02:42:56,710 --> 02:42:54,479
on amazon.com the link is in the show

4727
02:42:58,950 --> 02:42:56,720
notes uh buy a copy for your dog if you

4728
02:42:59,910 --> 02:42:58,960
love this uh program send some love his

4729
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:59,920
way

4730
02:43:03,349 --> 02:43:01,520
and uh yeah right now it's got like a

4731
02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:03,359
five-star rating on amazon i love the

4732
02:43:06,309 --> 02:43:04,720
book i'm gonna put my own review up

4733
02:43:07,510 --> 02:43:06,319
today or tomorrow morning when i wake up

4734
02:43:10,790 --> 02:43:07,520
with a little bit of a hangover but

4735
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:10,800
still join us next week same den time

4736
02:43:14,870 --> 02:43:13,439
same den channel and uh you don't keep

4737
02:43:17,190 --> 02:43:14,880
your scotch in a decanter just make sure

4738
02:43:19,830 --> 02:43:17,200
it's not leaded crystal

4739
02:43:21,910 --> 02:43:19,840
glass is perfect

4740
02:43:31,030 --> 02:43:21,920
sure your scotch tip for the evening